Jan 19 00:15:11 THANK YOU Jan 19 00:15:53 <-- Jake5 has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 00:58:44 <-- snord_ has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 01:21:33 o.O Jan 19 01:30:25 * thetribe|ZZzzz is now back - Gone for: 6hrs 10mins 37secs Jan 19 01:30:26 --- thetribe|ZZzzz is now known as thetribe Jan 19 02:17:39 --> Cr0NiX (~Fuk@220.127.59.48) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 02:22:04 <-- Cr0NiX has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 02:41:22 * thetribe is away - School Run Jan 19 02:41:22 --- thetribe is now known as thetribe|out Jan 19 02:43:47 --> Th3reaper (Th3reaper@ACBD2A7D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 02:44:39 <-- Th3reaper has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 02:55:31 --> Jake5 (Jake5@adsl-64-216-111-36.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 02:55:50 thank you all of you great people that helped me Jan 19 02:55:55 <-- Jake5 has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 03:16:03 * thetribe|out is now back - Gone for: 34mins 41secs Jan 19 03:16:03 --- thetribe|out is now known as thetribe Jan 19 03:19:08 --> Jake5 (Jake5@adsl-64-216-111-36.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 03:19:16 son of a bitch! Jan 19 03:19:30 who is messin me up Jan 19 03:19:35 --> piggymouse (~chatzilla@gate.reksoft.ru) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 03:20:00 hello? Jan 19 03:22:02 <-- Jake5 has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 03:30:47 <-- piggymouse has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]) Jan 19 03:42:27 just scrobbled past 4,000 'again', I'm on my way back up :) Jan 19 03:55:00 * flame is back Jan 19 03:55:17 Hmmm... Looks to me like you're listening to a bunch of "Dookie" *snicker' Jan 19 03:55:48 * thetribe is Listening To: [When I Come Around by Green Day] from the album [The Insane Minority (Kings College, 15 Jan 2000)] [00:31/03:27] Jan 19 03:56:12 almost ;) Jan 19 03:56:32 * flame is listening to Gang Green - Put Her On Top (from I81B4U) Jan 19 03:59:24 * thetribe scrobbles: [Basket Case by Green Day] from the album [Dookie] [00:39/03:03] Jan 19 03:59:27 this time Jan 19 04:01:18 * flame slaps thetribe around a bit with the new Tesla CD Jan 19 04:01:48 hehe, I've not heard it so don't know if that's a good thing or an insult ;) Jan 19 04:02:47 Few have heard it. Doesn't get released until March 9th. Got a promo version from the band to play on HardRockin80s.com Jan 19 04:03:16 cool Jan 19 04:04:46 can't say I've heard much by them to be honest but I'll stick htem on my "check out" list (costing me a bloody fortune letting people know what I listen to with all the recommendations I get back for bands I may like) Jan 19 04:05:19 * flame recommends nothin' but 80's hair metal bands ;-) Jan 19 04:06:30 yuck Jan 19 04:06:31 hehe Jan 19 04:06:42 well I like quite a few of the bands on your scrobble list I just can't say I have much by any of them Jan 19 04:06:46 90s metal is more like it ;) Jan 19 04:07:02 90s+ Jan 19 04:08:15 flame, whats your scrobbler name? Jan 19 04:09:10 http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Firechild.net/ Jan 19 04:10:20 uh Jan 19 04:10:32 you've listened to 1700 songs in 4 days? Jan 19 04:10:44 must keep it on 24/7 wether your listening or not Jan 19 04:11:03 err, 6 days Jan 19 04:11:17 No, just been awake 20 hours a day the past week, and in front of the computer coding... Jan 19 04:12:16 mine plays constantly when I'm in, if I leave the room I just turn it up ;) Jan 19 04:12:18 http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/AngryButcher/ Jan 19 04:12:25 there's mine :P Jan 19 04:13:48 and mine - http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/thetribe/ Jan 19 04:16:08 * flame sends out subliminal messages that cause everyone in the hub to start scrobbling poodle rock Jan 19 04:16:33 Hub.. grrr... been on direct connect too much... chat... Jan 19 04:28:58 <-- flame has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) Jan 19 04:29:12 --> flame (~flame@h159n1fls21o1074.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 04:35:22 * thetribe is away - Away From Keyboard Jan 19 04:35:22 --- thetribe is now known as thetribe|afk Jan 19 05:15:24 * flame is away: Unskinny Bop-bop-bop-bop, all night and day, yeah... Jan 19 05:17:22 --> teetee (~tee@dhcpm119.wadham.ox.ac.uk) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 05:33:30 --> AnewBreed (~hello@p508E2968.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 05:33:41 hi i need some help Jan 19 05:34:25 how can i get one of those banners with my audioscrobbler status, without knowing much php? Jan 19 05:36:44 anybody? Jan 19 05:37:27 do you have an account on a webserver which supports PHP? Jan 19 05:39:27 possibly.. if not its easy to gain access to one Jan 19 05:40:00 ok, you should just download one of the scripts and change the username inside to your audioscrobbler username Jan 19 05:40:34 I'm assuming you've seen the scripts on the wiki.. Jan 19 05:40:50 is it one variable or do i have to change 100 different things? Jan 19 05:41:28 should just be one Jan 19 05:41:33 ah ok... Jan 19 05:41:38 and how about the image in the background? Jan 19 05:42:07 you make one Jan 19 05:42:15 then you have to put its name into the script too Jan 19 05:42:28 there are fairly clear instructions on the NP_scrobbler page Jan 19 05:42:29 oh ok Jan 19 05:42:33 now i just found it Jan 19 05:42:36 thanks alot dude Jan 19 05:43:10 no prob Jan 19 05:43:31 there is also JPEGScrobbler if you prefer JPGs to PNGs Jan 19 05:43:50 ah ok Jan 19 05:48:26 --> hypnoticz (~hypnotic_@i088245127.rivernet.com.au) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 05:49:28 @find apple Jan 19 05:49:35 <-- hypnoticz (~hypnotic_@i088245127.rivernet.com.au) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:16:13 <-- Girvin has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 06:16:42 <-- AnewBreed has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 06:30:16 --> satan12 (~at@adsl-67-121-79-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:30:52 123 Jan 19 06:32:52 --> jappie (~jasperthu@g42029.upc-g.chello.nl) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:32:56 <-- satan12 (~at@adsl-67-121-79-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:33:17 <-- jappie (~jasperthu@g42029.upc-g.chello.nl) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:33:24 --> jappie (~jasperthu@g42029.upc-g.chello.nl) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:33:31 <-- jappie (~jasperthu@g42029.upc-g.chello.nl) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 06:57:39 --- Russ[away] is now known as Russ Jan 19 07:21:53 * flame is back Jan 19 07:38:02 <-- teetee has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 08:07:42 --> RealityIsAnOpinion (~realityis@dsla195.ody.ca) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:08:00 <-- RealityIsAnOpinion (~realityis@dsla195.ody.ca) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:11:15 --> Eruenion`Away (eru2@h144n2fls31o991.telia.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:20:10 --> juna^^ (~WinNT@bb-203-125-20-115.singnet.com.sg) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:20:31 !list Jan 19 08:20:31 <-- Russ has kicked juna^^ from #audioscrobbler (This is NOT a warez channel.) Jan 19 08:20:31 --> juna^^ (~WinNT@bb-203-125-20-115.singnet.com.sg) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:20:46 * flame scrobbles on and on... *scrobble* *scrobble* *scrobble* Jan 19 08:21:13 <-- juna^^ has quit (Quit: -=SysReset 2.53=-) Jan 19 08:21:26 --> Tokelil (~tokelil@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:23:59 so why are you coding for 20 hours a day, flame? Jan 19 08:24:35 i'll make a mental note to get more than 4 hours a night for a few weeks, for fear of starting to like poodle rock Jan 19 08:28:01 --> DI-WARIA (DI-IRIE-WA@193.12.239.117) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:28:48 <-- DI-WARIA (DI-IRIE-WA@193.12.239.117) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:32:59 Heh, complete remodel of my website, which includes Perl scripts. And developing a Perl-based content management system. Jan 19 08:33:18 Well, the fact that I'm a chronic insomniac since I was 12 adds to that... Jan 19 08:34:13 * flame scrobbles some more Hanoi Rocks... Jan 19 08:39:15 --> Russss (~rg@exten-halls-245.soton.ac.uk) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 08:39:23 that's some dedication. i hope you can make some money out of that. Jan 19 08:39:42 look at me, I'm an idiot who has no basic literacy skills! Jan 19 08:39:43 !list Jan 19 08:39:43 --- Russ sets ban on *!*@exten-halls-245.soton.ac.uk Jan 19 08:39:43 <-- Russ has kicked Russss from #audioscrobbler (This is NOT a warez channel.) Jan 19 08:39:47 Money? What's that? (Goes to check dictionary) Jan 19 08:39:53 excellent. Jan 19 08:40:00 --- Russ removes ban on *!*@exten-halls-245.soton.ac.uk Jan 19 08:40:24 * flame slaps Russ around a bit with a life. Jan 19 08:40:28 :-P Jan 19 08:40:42 I was just checking my script Jan 19 08:40:45 it now bans Jan 19 08:41:15 Yeah, I know. I figured there was a script doing that after some kicks earlier. Jan 19 08:42:25 --- Russ has changed the topic to: :: Audioscrobbler - http://www.audioscrobbler.com :: You cannot download music from Audioscrobbler - requesting music in this channel will result in an immediate ban :: Jan 19 08:43:50 ok, my agenda for today Jan 19 08:43:54 1) trackback support Jan 19 08:43:58 2) Musicbrainz. Jan 19 08:44:14 3) if I get to a #3 today, I'll be impressed. Jan 19 08:45:44 ok my agenda for today Jan 19 08:45:45 1) Poodle Rock scrobbling Jan 19 08:45:45 2) Perl scripting Jan 19 08:45:45 3) Poodle Rock scrobbling Jan 19 08:45:46 4) Perl scripting Jan 19 08:45:46 5) Eat breakfast around 10PM Jan 19 08:45:47 6) Poodle Rock scrobbling Jan 19 08:46:01 hehe Jan 19 09:05:08 first I'm refreshing the online users page and refining our regexes to catch more crappy tags :) Jan 19 09:23:37 --> wolfsong (~wolfsong@m6a8d36d0.tmodns.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 09:32:07 --> woohoo (eru2@h144n2fls31o991.telia.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 09:39:03 --> wrong (wrong@mfer.org) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 09:39:43 hm.. whens the recommened artists algorithm getting updated? Jan 19 09:40:31 when we have time Jan 19 09:43:07 Second Tuesday of next week Jan 19 09:44:55 <-- Eruenion`Away has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 09:44:55 --- woohoo is now known as Eruenion`Away Jan 19 10:17:22 last=# delete from artist where name ~ '^[0-9]{1,2}$' and lastfm is null; Jan 19 10:17:22 DELETE 80 Jan 19 10:17:22 Time: 855353.70 ms Jan 19 10:18:23 that probably means nothing to most people :) Jan 19 10:18:50 but it basically means I just deleted all the crappy entries which had the track number as the artist name. Jan 19 10:20:45 --> Serjical (Serjical@AAmiens-106-1-24-202.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 10:20:53 --> RJ (~RJj@212.18.247.24) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 10:20:53 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to RJ Jan 19 10:21:25 hi RJ Jan 19 10:21:36 last=# delete from artist where name ~ '^[0-9]{1,2}$' and lastfm is null; Jan 19 10:21:36 DELETE 80 Jan 19 10:21:36 Time: 855353.70 ms Jan 19 10:22:37 the postgres regex stuff is really fast Jan 19 10:23:26 <-- Serjical (Serjical@AAmiens-106-1-24-202.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 10:25:04 woo, really going to town with this. Jan 19 10:25:42 er Jan 19 10:25:47 careful :) Jan 19 10:26:06 we have transactions for a reason :) Jan 19 10:26:10 gj with the pingbacks. i'll try and get gossip finished and moved to live site Jan 19 10:26:13 last=# delete from artist where name ~* '^incomplete' and lastfm is null; Jan 19 10:26:13 DELETE 207 Jan 19 10:26:13 Time: 2205.72 ms Jan 19 10:26:17 last=# delete from artist where name ~* '[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}$' and lastfm is null; Jan 19 10:26:17 DELETE 813 Jan 19 10:26:17 Time: 5277.60 ms Jan 19 10:26:24 last=# delete from artist where name ~* '^http:\/\/' and lastfm is null; Jan 19 10:26:24 DELETE 89 Jan 19 10:26:24 Time: 1346.87 ms Jan 19 10:26:36 pretty fast Jan 19 10:27:29 i plan to sync profile_(artist|album) to track today Jan 19 10:27:41 cos the recent buggery has unsynced it Jan 19 10:27:59 but i'll wait for you to finish deleting stuff Jan 19 10:28:09 you could sync it when you're done if you like.. Jan 19 10:28:38 do we have a query for that? Jan 19 10:28:55 somewhere Jan 19 10:29:07 think i wrote a script last time Jan 19 10:29:09 we need a useful queries wiki page. Jan 19 10:29:12 yeah Jan 19 10:29:18 i think one big query should do it Jan 19 10:29:52 how was maths btw? Jan 19 10:30:16 thrilling. Jan 19 10:30:27 to be expected Jan 19 10:30:39 ok, that's all the easy artist ones Jan 19 10:30:51 think I've got rid of about 25k tracks consequently Jan 19 10:31:13 regex-matching the track table could be interesting, and slow. Jan 19 10:31:23 so I'll save that for another day Jan 19 10:31:39 indeed Jan 19 10:33:35 we now have 255003 total artists. Jan 19 10:35:32 a respectable number Jan 19 10:35:36 how many did you cull? Jan 19 10:35:50 few thousand Jan 19 10:35:53 didn't count exactly Jan 19 10:36:01 Russ: would some of the things you're doing explain why tracks I played 30 minutes ago have times5 hours from now? Jan 19 10:36:08 wolfsong: no Jan 19 10:36:22 5 hours in the future, or the past? Jan 19 10:36:28 in the future Jan 19 10:36:31 wolfsong: your plugin should send times in GMT.. is your PC clock correct? Jan 19 10:36:33 that's a plugin bug Jan 19 10:36:42 ok Jan 19 10:36:55 i was having trouble with the player earlier Jan 19 10:37:27 did you get a chance 2 see what I was talking about as far as entries not showing up in the Recent Tracks? Jan 19 10:38:25 PC time is correct BTW but again I think that was the player...kept crashing on me Jan 19 10:46:28 http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/flash/quest.html Jan 19 10:46:32 <-- wrong (wrong@mfer.org) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 10:52:30 Russ: did you get a chance 2 see what I was talking about as far as entries not showing up in the Recent Tracks? Jan 19 10:52:55 erm no sorry Jan 19 10:53:08 I blame your plugin, it seems to be doing very amusing things Jan 19 10:53:46 well the only thing about that is the tracks DO show under Listening To Jan 19 10:54:07 they just never make it to Recent Tracks and it's only certain songs Jan 19 10:54:31 i've actaully been able to duplicate the problem more than once now Jan 19 11:00:46 well, I need to know the track titles Jan 19 11:00:52 and artist names Jan 19 11:08:16 So what's the status on bands with names that start with numbers... ? Like "40 ft. Ringo", for example... Jan 19 11:11:43 Hmmm... No change. Still not being accepted. Jan 19 11:13:07 --> Romanas (~rominas01@d141-153-8.home.cgocable.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 11:13:17 * flame is away: M*A*S*H Jan 19 11:13:25 <-- Romanas (~rominas01@d141-153-8.home.cgocable.net) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 11:15:18 Russ: Alison Moyet - Do You Ever Wonder & Alana Davis - I Don't Care (Lonesome Road) are 2 that I know of for sure Jan 19 11:20:13 <-- galactic has quit (Quit: installing cd-rw) Jan 19 11:30:39 howdy RJ Jan 19 11:32:39 * Kel wonders if anyone is able to reset the stats? Jan 19 11:32:44 (easily) Jan 19 11:34:03 Kel: i've been meaning to allow people to do that via the webpage for a whlie Jan 19 11:34:08 not got round to programming it yet Jan 19 11:36:49 :) okay Jan 19 11:37:09 it's just funny that it claims i've listened to a song by an obnoxious producer over 100 times when, afaik, I don't even have the song (as it's not on my playlist) Jan 19 11:38:11 good job on the foobar plugin btw, works beautifully so far Jan 19 11:38:18 I'm at the point I just want to pick and choose the artists to kill Jan 19 11:39:06 in retrospect I think Tupac should still be alive, i'm not a fan of his music but he's alot more annoying now with all his movies and "Special after death releases" than he ever was when he was alive.. I didn't even know who he was until he was killed... Jan 19 11:39:15 athat's my gripe *goes on to his omlet* Jan 19 11:39:23 he CAN'T be dead Jan 19 11:39:26 considering all that Jan 19 11:39:29 lol Jan 19 11:39:39 they say he's on an island in jamaica Jan 19 11:39:45 <-- Markaci has quit (Quit: To some life is money, but what's money without life. 'Cause all I need is the air that I breathe and my friends and family to believe in me.) Jan 19 11:40:07 ugh Jan 19 11:40:13 * Kel thought mark only used that on his network to annoy him Jan 19 11:40:21 --> Markaci (Markaci@e0gfffil.erin.utoronto.ca) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 11:40:28 <-- Eruenion`Away has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 11:51:01 --> micah (~micah@69.0.36.59.adsl.snet.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 11:52:26 I'm looking at my statistics right now and it says that I played Plush by the Stone Temple Pilots thirty-four times since last night (when last I checked)... Jan 19 11:52:38 I'm pretty sure I would have noticed that... Jan 19 11:53:06 Anyone have any ideas if this is a problem with the plugin (iScrobbler) or the server? Jan 19 11:53:15 or how I might find out? Jan 19 11:54:08 hmm Jan 19 11:54:13 does it make any log files? Jan 19 11:54:14 --> ^3 (WinNT@m59.net81-64-193.noos.fr) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 11:54:16 (iScrobbler) Jan 19 11:54:20 <^3> lu Jan 19 11:54:22 <^3> !list Jan 19 11:54:22 --- Russ sets ban on *!*WinNT@*.net81-64-193.noos.fr Jan 19 11:54:22 <-- Russ has kicked ^3 from #audioscrobbler (Audioscrobbler is not a music download service. Please kindly go away.) Jan 19 11:54:45 lol Jan 19 11:55:00 I'm not sure, I'll pull up the console in a momnt Jan 19 11:55:06 ok Jan 19 12:00:26 micah: what's your username? Jan 19 12:00:37 it doesn't appear to log the individual song titles... Jan 19 12:00:46 micah_gideon (very creative, eh?) Jan 19 12:01:07 All it logs is the time played and the percentage Jan 19 12:04:00 hmm, its a plugin bug. Jan 19 12:04:18 i've got that song logged for you multiple times all with the same time submitted by the plugin, but at differnt times on the server Jan 19 12:04:27 so the plugin submitted the same entry many times Jan 19 12:05:06 OK, I've been putting off looking at the code for iScrobbler for a while... Jan 19 12:05:10 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 18:01:39 Jan 19 12:05:10 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 17:51:40 Jan 19 12:05:10 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 17:47:43 Jan 19 12:05:10 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 17:43:35 Jan 19 12:05:10 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 17:40:59 Jan 19 12:05:11 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 17:38:19 Jan 19 12:05:16 ... Jan 19 12:05:17 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 02:53:59 Jan 19 12:05:18 maybe now's my chance... Jan 19 12:05:19 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 02:31:51 Jan 19 12:05:21 2004-01-19 01:38:33 | 2004-01-19 02:29:09 Jan 19 12:05:23 (37 rows) Jan 19 12:05:36 Beautiful! Jan 19 12:05:44 there's someone on the development list working on it, but i guess he'd be glad of some help Jan 19 12:06:28 Yeah, I was about to take a look when he posted that he'd finished it... Jan 19 12:06:55 I'll see what, if anything, I can find... Jan 19 12:06:56 thanks! Jan 19 12:07:21 I'm going to submit it as a bug and then take a look Jan 19 12:13:01 cool, got the email Jan 19 12:13:21 you could contact road directly and see if he'll send you the latest code to have a fiddle with Jan 19 12:13:24 *rod Jan 19 12:13:29 I think it's in CVS Jan 19 12:13:37 did you give him commit access? Jan 19 12:13:40 yes Jan 19 12:13:43 great Jan 19 12:17:37 <-- Psyfen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jan 19 12:25:20 yeah, I've got a bunch of other things I'm working on at the moment, so I'm not sure when I'll get to look at any of it, but I'll let you know... Jan 19 13:02:42 --> hyp3rt04d (~nononon@i-195-137-83-106.freedom2surf.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 13:02:44 --- hyp3rt04d is now known as Species Jan 19 13:04:02 <-- Species has quit (Quit: I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n 2.0 Build 3515) Jan 19 13:21:04 --> Lotus (Atropos-@ACA5AB5D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 13:23:37 <-- Lotus has quit (Quit: How strange it was to be anything at all...) Jan 19 13:30:27 * thetribe|afk is now back - Gone for: 8hrs 55mins 3secs Jan 19 13:30:27 --- thetribe|afk is now known as thetribe Jan 19 13:45:40 --> POPSCENE (~popscene@xo74.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 13:45:48 hello:) Jan 19 13:46:43 evening Jan 19 13:50:14 <-- POPSCENE (~popscene@xo74.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 13:53:44 --> Hijackal (~Hijack@beckmann.stw-bonn.de) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 13:53:45 hi Jan 19 13:54:04 evening Jan 19 13:54:50 how often are the top artists on my /user/ page calculated? Jan 19 13:55:21 erm Jan 19 13:55:24 ask Russ Jan 19 13:55:25 or RJ Jan 19 13:55:55 they update every 30mins or so I think. Jan 19 13:57:33 ok thanks Jan 19 14:00:12 oh one thing i just remebered: could you have the plugin warn users if they're using an older version and cant submit because of that? i had a queue of about 100 songs until i noticed ;) Jan 19 14:00:55 it should do Jan 19 14:01:01 which plugin is it? Jan 19 14:01:06 winamp Jan 19 14:01:15 heh Jan 19 14:01:27 it used to pop up 1 messagebox every time it tried to submit :P Jan 19 14:01:39 no, it never did that for me Jan 19 14:01:54 i just noticed my /user/ page wasnt up to date Jan 19 14:02:12 and found i had over 100 cached files each on my desktop and notebook Jan 19 14:03:22 and i think some data must have been lost somewhere... i havent used winamp without scrobbler for almost a year and i bet i listened to more than 1k6 songs in that time :) Jan 19 14:07:09 * thetribe is away - Away From Keyboard Jan 19 14:07:09 --- thetribe is now known as thetribe|afk Jan 19 14:09:15 <-- wolfsong has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- irc client ownage!) Jan 19 14:10:07 <-- micah has quit (Quit: Leaving) Jan 19 14:29:31 --> Eruenion`Away (eru2@h144n2fls31o991.telia.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 14:29:49 --> wolfsong (HydraIRC@m608136d0.tmodns.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 14:35:36 --> galactic (~galactic@lush.fud.no) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 14:36:11 --> NoizZ (~wont@dns.kielce.msk.pl) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 14:36:19 hi everybody Jan 19 14:36:54 'lo Jan 19 14:37:44 does anyone know any pages bout THE afx? Jan 19 14:37:56 cuz it's hard to find 'em on the net ;( Jan 19 14:39:29 THE afx? Jan 19 14:39:40 yes :) Jan 19 14:39:44 aphex twin :) Jan 19 14:39:59 or caustic window if you want :P Jan 19 14:40:20 hehe :) Jan 19 14:40:20 i'm a great fan of his, (and his aliases) - but what part of the onjoin message or the topic don't you understand exactly? Jan 19 14:41:09 ehm, i am just in great need of knowing aphex twin better so I just wanted to ask, sorry :( Jan 19 14:41:37 well, if you're asking for what records that's an essential own i may be able to help you out Jan 19 14:42:14 i would be very thankful Jan 19 14:42:44 in my book it's aphex twin: 51-13, aphex twin: classics, afx: analouge bubblebath iv, and the latest: aphex twin: druqxs Jan 19 14:44:31 oh ok Jan 19 14:44:46 i have little time so i am goint away now :( Jan 19 14:45:00 sorry to inerrupt Jan 19 14:45:24 --> x86kila` (~Jaffer@cs671011-96.houston.rr.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 14:45:37 hey, i need help identifying a song Jan 19 14:45:51 can anyone help me? Jan 19 14:45:52 sing for us :) Jan 19 14:45:55 lol Jan 19 14:46:04 ok, the song is used a lot on mtv cribs Jan 19 14:46:14 its instrumental.. not rap or anything Jan 19 14:46:25 was also used in Russell Simmons episode Jan 19 14:46:33 * Hijackal doesnt watch mtv so much he can tell shows apart ;) Jan 19 14:46:35 when they enter his asian wife's closet Jan 19 14:46:39 o... Jan 19 14:46:46 sounds like they use the violin Jan 19 14:46:59 its very catchy too Jan 19 14:47:16 is there a MTV channel? Jan 19 14:47:23 or a Cribs channel? Jan 19 14:47:44 * x86kila` doesnt want to whistle and upload the wav file Jan 19 14:47:44 http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/ Jan 19 14:48:47 --> [S]-gh0stface (support@c-24-11-171-55.client.comcast.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 14:48:49 what kind of music is it? what other instruments can you identify? Jan 19 14:49:17 <-- [S]-gh0stface has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 14:49:23 it could be all done on a computer Jan 19 14:49:27 but it sounds like a violin Jan 19 14:49:59 man this is hard Jan 19 14:50:09 yes i know :-) Jan 19 14:50:23 last time i wanted to find a sound, it was a trance song Jan 19 14:50:23 do you use scrobbler? Jan 19 14:50:35 i had to whistle it.. ended up being PPK-resurrection Jan 19 14:50:41 no, i just ran into the site Jan 19 14:50:53 ah ok Jan 19 14:51:21 i wanted to take a song you know and try and describe it in words and see if you can guess it ;) Jan 19 14:52:01 man, and i have that episode on my tivo.. just dont know what to do with it Jan 19 14:52:54 well rip the audio part out and give it to me, that'd make things much easier ;) Jan 19 14:53:24 i was thinking about that, but i dont have a capture card Jan 19 14:53:45 bah, ill have ot find that episode online somewhere, then extract the audio feed Jan 19 14:53:50 only need a sound card... Jan 19 14:53:56 you only want audio Jan 19 14:53:59 yah Jan 19 14:54:17 id have to have a long composite cable? Jan 19 14:54:22 like the white or red one? Jan 19 14:54:27 put that into "mic in" Jan 19 14:54:53 "line in" would be even better if thats available Jan 19 14:55:03 yeah it has line in Jan 19 14:55:35 yeah and connect that to your tv/tivo Jan 19 14:55:40 <-- x86kila` has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 15:14:46 this channel should totally change its purpose Jan 19 15:15:07 "i heard this song on the radio today that goes bababa and there's a guy singing. maybe some guitars..." Jan 19 15:15:31 lol Jan 19 15:18:35 * thetribe|afk is now back - Gone for: 1hr 11mins 25secs Jan 19 15:18:35 --- thetribe|afk is now known as thetribe Jan 19 15:42:54 <-- RJ has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Jan 19 16:10:13 --> Lefungus (~fool@ARennes-303-1-14-92.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:10:20 hello Jan 19 16:10:26 evening Jan 19 16:10:42 i still have my connection issue with audioscrobbler plugin within foobar Jan 19 16:11:12 if i reinstall it, will i lose all stats gathered until now ? Jan 19 16:12:08 not if you save the cache-file Jan 19 16:12:29 in which directory is it saved ? Jan 19 16:12:42 prolly the same as the plugin Jan 19 16:13:05 --> RABOND (~riverchri@189.Red-81-41-123.pooles.rima-tde.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:13:24 --> woohoo (eru2@h144n2fls31o991.telia.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:13:41 nothing here :/ Jan 19 16:14:18 what's the name of the cache file ? Jan 19 16:16:10 <-- RABOND has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 16:16:28 well with the winamp plugin it's called audioscrobbler.99.cache Jan 19 16:16:40 but I doubt that goes for the foobar Jan 19 16:16:57 u should prolly ask someone using that plugin at least ,) Jan 19 16:18:38 --> eth-jenova (~jnv@24-193-217-131.nyc.rr.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:18:59 <-- eth-jenova (~jnv@24-193-217-131.nyc.rr.com) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:19:14 well i'd like too Jan 19 16:19:26 actually i'd like to know the author Jan 19 16:19:38 and why not have a look at the sources of this plugin Jan 19 16:19:54 currently, it's minimalistic Jan 19 16:21:36 I am the author Jan 19 16:21:50 the cache is stored in the foobar config registry Jan 19 16:23:48 Russ, do you put debug info somewhere ? i'd like to know why it suddenly can't connect Jan 19 16:24:16 I'm just doing a build which outputs more info Jan 19 16:24:44 ok thanks Jan 19 16:26:17 <-- Eruenion`Away has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 16:26:17 --- woohoo is now known as Eruenion`Away Jan 19 16:28:35 I've just broken Visual Studio :/ Jan 19 16:28:49 :/ Jan 19 16:29:10 Moral of the story: that's why gcc is better ^_- Jan 19 16:29:10 don't bother about foobar tonight then Jan 19 16:29:20 --> RJ (~RJj@212.18.247.24) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:29:20 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to RJ Jan 19 16:29:21 <-- RJ has quit (Client closed connection) Jan 19 16:29:40 i'll come back tomorrow, good night all Jan 19 16:30:02 --> RJ (~RJj@212.18.247.24) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 16:30:02 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to RJ Jan 19 16:30:06 <-- Lefungus has quit (Quit: Leaving) Jan 19 16:30:31 Russ, well being a microsoft product, that ceirtanly isn't hard... Jan 19 16:39:26 argh, he's left Jan 19 17:07:02 <-- Tokelil has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 17:11:06 any mathematicians around? :-) Jan 19 17:11:35 sort of Jan 19 17:11:42 :) Jan 19 17:11:55 not at this time of night Jan 19 17:11:58 lol Jan 19 17:12:49 1+1=2, except in the bedroom or the back seat of a car Jan 19 17:13:24 so, how many irreducible polynomials with degree <= 4 are there in the field with 2 elements? *g* Jan 19 17:16:35 which field with 2 elements? Jan 19 17:16:36 --> anaximander (~david@adsl-67-121-74-20.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 17:19:18 there is only one :-) Jan 19 17:19:26 oh dear Jan 19 17:19:29 it doesnt matter how you call them Jan 19 17:19:33 the elements Jan 19 17:19:58 but you need a neutral element for addition and one for multiplication, and they tend to get called 1 and 0 Jan 19 17:20:35 ugh Jan 19 17:20:40 too late for polynomials Jan 19 17:20:54 x*1=x ; x+0=x for all x ; 1+1=1 Jan 19 17:21:04 thats all you need to define the entire field Jan 19 17:21:31 1+1=1? Jan 19 17:21:34 new one on me. Jan 19 17:21:51 oh sorry Jan 19 17:21:55 1+1=0 of course Jan 19 17:22:11 2 perchance? Jan 19 17:22:26 those properties all follow from the field axioms and the fact that there are only two elements Jan 19 17:22:27 see! too late for maths! Jan 19 17:22:35 no, 2 isnt in the field Jan 19 17:22:36 oh yes Jan 19 17:22:37 cunning Jan 19 17:22:44 only 1 and 0 :-) Jan 19 17:22:46 it's binary-esque Jan 19 17:22:54 yep Jan 19 17:22:58 I'm going to give up before I fall asleep Jan 19 17:23:03 mod2 like Jan 19 17:23:25 indeed Jan 19 17:23:35 can't cope with polynomials, too sleepy and not done them for a while Jan 19 17:23:39 hehe Jan 19 17:24:16 can you not do something funky with the binomial theorum, or will that not work with the 2 element thing Jan 19 17:24:22 well, polynomials with two possible coefficients have little to do with polynomials with real or even compley elements :) Jan 19 17:24:23 I expect not Jan 19 17:24:33 yeah quite Jan 19 17:31:49 http://test.audioscrobbler.com/user/RJ/ "latest gossip" attatched to users and artists is there now Jan 19 17:32:01 --> TontonZol (TontonZola@dialup.212-50-169-22.karoo.KCOM.COM) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 17:32:03 and i'm trying my luck with GNOME, having used KDE for 3 years Jan 19 17:32:30 running on what? Jan 19 17:32:52 2.6.0-gentoo Jan 19 17:32:58 nice Jan 19 17:33:02 RJ: ever tried xfce4? Jan 19 17:33:05 i run gentoo 2.4 Jan 19 17:33:09 nope Jan 19 17:33:13 is that one of those uber lightweitgth ones? Jan 19 17:33:19 yes Jan 19 17:33:25 don't really go for them Jan 19 17:33:27 but it's suprisingly featurefull Jan 19 17:33:44 * RJ goes looking for screenshots Jan 19 17:33:51 not like blackbox and friends, it's based entirely on gtk2 and looks a lot like gnome but weighs a tenth Jan 19 17:34:01 huh, nice Jan 19 17:34:29 ah, i didnt much care for the *box family Jan 19 17:34:36 i do like gtk2 a lot tho Jan 19 17:35:20 http://fud.no/~audun/tempfoo/shot.png Jan 19 17:36:26 nice Jan 19 17:36:37 are there any bugs with the albums played section? Jan 19 17:37:17 are there ebuild scripts for xfce? Jan 19 17:37:28 ???? Jan 19 17:37:32 don't know, i'm a debian-guy myself, wouldn't surprise me Jan 19 17:37:38 hmm Jan 19 17:37:41 i'll look Jan 19 17:37:57 hmm Jan 19 17:38:03 i think i'll sleep now. Jan 19 17:38:06 cyaz ;) Jan 19 17:38:19 sleep.... i remember that stuff Jan 19 17:38:34 galactic: i approve, it looks like a lightweight gnome Jan 19 17:38:42 anaximander: in debian they've separated xfce and xfce4 btw. xfce is c++ and quite old, xfce4 is a complete rewrite in C and using gtk2 Jan 19 17:38:45 yeah someone told me about it this weekend and i think i'd like to try it ;) Jan 19 17:39:01 maybe i'll install it and give it a try Jan 19 17:39:08 <-- Hijackal has quit (Quit: !) Jan 19 17:39:58 --> Louieville (~LARRY@dialup.212-50-169-22.karoo.KCOM.COM) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 17:40:53 <-- Louieville has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 17:41:13 it appears that gentoo has ebuild scripts for xfce 3.8 as the prefered Jan 19 17:41:51 anaximander: that looks nothing like that screenshot Jan 19 17:41:57 damn Jan 19 17:42:01 i didn't like the old xfce really Jan 19 17:42:17 hmm Jan 19 17:42:37 i almost never use linux for a work station though, so i actually don't have a GUI installed Jan 19 17:43:17 <-- TontonZol has quit (Quit: It iz dood ed) Jan 19 17:43:36 --> micah (~micah@69.0.36.59.adsl.snet.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 17:46:08 <-- anaximander has quit (Client closed connection) Jan 19 17:47:14 --> anaximander (~david@adsl-67-121-74-20.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 17:48:11 <-- NoizZ has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 17:49:35 just wondering, does audioscrobbler have any plans of dynamic image creation for something like a "now playing" image on other sites? Jan 19 17:50:10 gerpok.com and audio-tracker.com both do this and do it rather well Jan 19 17:50:24 considering it Jan 19 17:50:30 I know, I wrote the gerpok/audio-tracker backend ;) Jan 19 17:50:38 kaboon? Jan 19 17:50:54 no, I wrote some of it for him Jan 19 17:50:58 oh Jan 19 17:50:58 ok Jan 19 17:51:09 cool Jan 19 17:51:14 in order to have a pingback and link to a piece of gossip like a blog entry, what do we need to do? Jan 19 17:51:14 yeah Jan 19 17:52:07 am i correct in thinking that it would allow us to track who is commenting/linking on a specific piece of news/gossip from our site? Jan 19 17:52:32 btw Jan 19 17:52:40 what's up with at right now? Jan 19 17:53:09 i moved to gerpok as soon as danny finished it, but at seems to be having issues Jan 19 17:54:10 RJ, yes Jan 19 17:54:33 we should support trackback too, I'm going to do that tomorrow Jan 19 17:55:18 ok, anything i need to do to the gossip? each post has its own url/#bookmark Jan 19 17:55:27 will there be any way for me to edit DB information after this multiple posting problem is figured out? Jan 19 17:55:41 micah: yes, at an unspecified point in the future Jan 19 17:55:50 right now, it says I've listened to STP - Plush about a hundred times Jan 19 17:55:56 cool, thanks! Jan 19 17:56:18 I'm just not that big a fan of them and I imagine that would throw off other data points Jan 19 17:56:46 dont worry, i'll do the editor for when the similarity calc is ready Jan 19 17:57:13 galactic: are there deb packages for xfce4? Jan 19 17:57:14 RJ, I'm changing stuff right now Jan 19 17:57:25 on dev, there's a Resource::getFromURL function Jan 19 17:57:37 which basically takes one of our URLs and returns a resource object Jan 19 17:57:42 wolfsong: yes Jan 19 17:57:58 that's all that needs modifying for track/pingback to work on a specific resource Jan 19 17:58:02 but it isn't quite finished yet Jan 19 17:58:14 I need to generalise it for trackback Jan 19 17:58:18 on the debian servers? Jan 19 17:58:31 ok, if you need me to do anything lemme know. will we need a "permlink" link by each post? Jan 19 17:59:21 hmm, reminds me i want to port the avatar uploader to audioscrobbler Jan 19 17:59:29 wolfsong: yeah, probably not in stable though Jan 19 17:59:29 so we can have user-pics Jan 19 17:59:46 RJ, yes each post will need a permalink Jan 19 17:59:51 then bloggers link to that Jan 19 18:00:21 galactic: ok thanks Jan 19 18:00:39 <-- wolfsong has quit (Quit: heading home) Jan 19 18:00:53 Russ: ok, i'll add a link by each post for it Jan 19 18:09:11 --> markyboy (~markyboy@194.125.58.5) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 18:10:28 russ: just wondering if you remember the url to clear the at cache? Jan 19 18:11:37 what cache? Jan 19 18:11:43 ok Jan 19 18:11:45 oh Jan 19 18:11:45 err Jan 19 18:11:48 nope Jan 19 18:11:50 ok Jan 19 18:11:57 i'll just do it manually Jan 19 18:12:28 don't you love it when you have 0 k free bytes? Jan 19 18:13:05 that's on the bamboozled remote Jan 19 18:15:03 heh, 1.6 GB log files, perhaps i should clean those up before worring about the space used by the audiotracker cache Jan 19 18:19:22 hmm.. still being in high school, i actually have to go do homework. Jan 19 18:19:22 --david, out. Jan 19 18:19:22 so many php functions, so little time. Jan 19 18:19:31 <-- anaximander has quit (Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) Jan 19 18:29:18 hmm Jan 19 18:29:20 didn't see that Jan 19 18:29:24 Is RJ still up and about? Jan 19 18:29:29 or is he dead int he water? Jan 19 18:30:24 dunno Jan 19 18:32:05 heh Jan 19 18:32:16 Just wanted to get pipian@audioscrobbler.com forwarding to my normal mail Jan 19 18:32:52 I can't do that unfortunately Jan 19 18:34:16 hi Jan 19 18:34:29 to which address? Jan 19 18:35:54 Russ, may as well take the regexps from the apache.conf for the Resource::getFromURL Jan 19 18:36:05 pipian@pipian.com Jan 19 18:37:03 done Jan 19 18:39:53 <-- markyboy has quit (Quit: ) Jan 19 18:46:43 --> hand|held (~webhii@Toronto-HSE-ppp3709458.sympatico.ca) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 18:49:22 <-- hand|held (~webhii@Toronto-HSE-ppp3709458.sympatico.ca) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 19:10:50 * thetribe is away - Sleeping... ZZzzz Jan 19 19:10:50 --- thetribe is now known as thetribe|ZZzzz Jan 19 19:20:06 --> Squiggle (~sqrl@adsl-213-249-185-185.karoo.KCOM.COM) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 19:20:16 Yarrr! Jan 19 19:21:07 buh. Jan 19 19:34:37 is anyone alive/awake? Jan 19 19:35:49 yup Jan 19 19:35:56 weyhey! Jan 19 19:36:02 i'm building in user-pic uploading and some better user details stuff atm Jan 19 19:36:24 are you one of the making-type peoples? Jan 19 19:36:45 *developers Jan 19 19:37:16 yes Jan 19 19:37:31 you must be one of the user-type peoples Jan 19 19:37:38 I am indeed. Jan 19 19:37:50 although I am interested in the whole development-type things. Jan 19 19:37:59 any specific part? Jan 19 19:38:18 data mining. I'd like to do something like that as part of my main project at university. Jan 19 19:38:25 cool Jan 19 19:38:26 aha Jan 19 19:38:34 what uni/course/year ? Jan 19 19:39:06 at the moment I'm repeating my 2nd year in software engineering at Hull uni Jan 19 19:39:08 in England, like. Jan 19 19:39:37 but that's not to say I'm no good. I am. I'm repeating 'cos my house burned down :P Jan 19 19:39:52 here ya go guys Jan 19 19:39:57 take a break from coding Jan 19 19:39:58 http://ogc.ath.cx/files/tmp/pingu.htm Jan 19 19:40:00 :) Jan 19 19:40:46 Squiggle: house burnt down? crikey :| Jan 19 19:40:49 is there any data mining type stuff going on at the moment? 'cos all I can really see is lots of stats. Jan 19 19:40:57 so, we have lots of data and we arent using it much Jan 19 19:41:06 we need some serious mining action Jan 19 19:41:06 * Squiggle nod Jan 19 19:41:51 do you have to do a project in the 2nd year then? Jan 19 19:42:58 nope. It's in the 3rd year, but we've got to decide what we want to do soon. Jan 19 19:43:54 I've been really impressed by the sort of things www.allmusic.com has done with data. It's really quite useful. Jan 19 19:44:12 yeah i know what you mean Jan 19 19:44:22 ok, well we can supply you with a lot of data Jan 19 19:44:36 one sec.. Jan 19 19:44:58 woo! Jan 19 19:45:05 http://www.audioscrobbler.com/Scrobbler.PNG Jan 19 19:45:19 that's really old now, but i still flash it around whenever anyone mentions datamining Jan 19 19:45:33 the data does exhibit signs of clustering into genres Jan 19 19:45:46 it doesn't look as nice any more ;) Jan 19 19:45:49 that graph was made based on artist-to-artist similarity data calculated Jan 19 19:45:58 Russ: :P Jan 19 19:46:52 Squiggle, i use that site all the time to figure out whats the best album of a group that i should check out Jan 19 19:46:55 that's very nifty Jan 19 19:47:06 there is a lot wrong with allmusic :) Jan 19 19:47:17 making artist to artist similarity is pretty easy. Jan 19 19:47:22 harder to do it *really* well tho Jan 19 19:47:27 blisk: Aye. Me too. I've spent, like, 100+ on albums based on their reccommendations. Jan 19 19:47:47 once you have artist2artist you can map it into 2d space using a clustering algorithm Jan 19 19:47:56 badly. Jan 19 19:47:58 you could do a whole PhD on datamining this stuff Jan 19 19:48:05 Russ: There's a lot wrong with it, but it's the most comprehensive and detailed list of wrongness that has yet to grace the internet :P Jan 19 19:48:14 lol Jan 19 19:48:33 yeah Jan 19 19:49:19 another option (if you can come up with a suitable idea) is some sort of parallel/distributed data mining/analysis using the plugins Jan 19 19:49:36 but i think it'd be hard to make it worthwhile as htere is a lot of data to send round Jan 19 19:49:55 * Squiggle nods Jan 19 19:50:32 notice how it exibhitst genre-clustering; a possible 3rd yr projet could be "automatic genre classification" Jan 19 19:50:45 ooh that's a good diea Jan 19 19:50:46 idea Jan 19 19:50:48 hey whens the artist recommendations coming back online? Jan 19 19:50:54 you just plot the map, work out the clusters, then when a new artist comes along, compare them to a handful of others, and fit them into the genre map thing Jan 19 19:50:59 or is that whats being discussed... Jan 19 19:51:13 blisk: not really, there is a crap algo online at the mo. i'll be upgrading it soon Jan 19 19:51:23 working on some messaging and user-pics atm, Jan 19 19:51:25 my plan is to use artist similarities to plot an n-dimensional graph of artists. Jan 19 19:51:27 blisk: I'm just throwing ideas around for a uni project I hope to do. Jan 19 19:51:36 oh ok Jan 19 19:51:44 where n is definitely greater than 2 :) Jan 19 19:51:45 heh i hate coming in mid convo Jan 19 19:51:49 Squiggle: i reckon the "work out the cluster for a new artist, and thus guess the genre" is a good one :) Jan 19 19:51:50 * Squiggle chuckle Jan 19 19:52:15 unfortunately, there's a somewhat more subtle problem Jan 19 19:52:19 RJ: There's certainly a lot of possibilities. I'll make a list of ideas for the moment and see what my tutor says. Jan 19 19:52:39 what audioscrobbler is very good at doing is not similarity. Jan 19 19:52:54 in audioscrobbler terms, Radiohead is similar to Metallica Jan 19 19:53:03 in fact, Radiohead is similar to everything Jan 19 19:53:07 heh Jan 19 19:53:15 because what we don't have is similarity Jan 19 19:53:19 Squiggle: feel free to email me rj@audioscrobbler.com about it Jan 19 19:53:20 how would you discern the similarities, then? Jan 19 19:53:28 I'll do that. Jan 19 19:53:29 it's "people who like this artist also like" Jan 19 19:53:34 radiohead == music Jan 19 19:53:50 so it's skewed in favour of more popular or widely-liked artists Jan 19 19:53:51 it defines all of music Jan 19 19:53:53 i.e. Radiohea. Jan 19 19:53:54 d Jan 19 19:54:22 using traditional unsupervised clustering techniques relies on having a feature space in n dimensions.. Jan 19 19:54:23 dunno why, but audioscrobbler users love Radiohead specifically. Jan 19 19:54:52 t might be possible to derive the feature space based on the algorithm you use to calculate the weighting coefficient (i.e. each feature would be something like times played etc..). If we had this then the euclidean distance in the feature space *should* correlate to the artist -> artist weighting Jan 19 19:54:58 I think n-dimensional nearest neighbour analysis would be a great thing to try Jan 19 19:55:20 but I think first we need to improve the similarity algorithm so it weights against more popular artists Jan 19 19:55:25 there is a ton of material on the web about how to do this stuff, if you have a few months to test some stuff out Jan 19 19:55:26 lol rj.. i was gonna try and recommend stuff but after reading that it looks like u got a better handle on it than i do :p Jan 19 19:55:32 which I think is the more difficult bit Jan 19 19:55:46 yeah, thing is neither RJ nor I have a few months to test stuff out Jan 19 19:56:20 blisk: heh, it's easier than it sounds to do it reasonably well. just hard to do it really well for all artists Jan 19 19:56:33 I've got a few months for anything at the moment Jan 19 19:56:40 lucky you :) Jan 19 19:56:47 i was thinking the more an artist is played the harder it is for them to be similar to other artists Jan 19 19:56:47 hey, I'm a student :P Jan 19 19:56:52 so am I Jan 19 19:57:06 I'm a bored student. Jan 19 19:57:06 unfortunately my todo list is ridiculously long Jan 19 19:57:14 if you are up for it, then we can support your findings and get you lots of user feedback o nthe data, along with "real-world" application which is usually on the marking scheme for 3rd yr projects ;) Jan 19 19:57:26 and maybe even money. Jan 19 19:57:34 a/s was my 3rd year project last yr btw.. Jan 19 19:57:39 ooooh money :D Jan 19 19:57:43 lol you'll be lucky Jan 19 19:57:52 I do say maybe Jan 19 19:58:02 :) Jan 19 19:58:04 if we happen to stumble across any Jan 19 19:58:08 * Squiggle shrugs. Money isn't really much of an issue. Jan 19 19:58:28 but yeah Jan 19 19:59:00 aye Jan 19 19:59:01 what I'd like to see is chucking all the artists in an n-dimensional space, and then the co-ordinates are parameters which define the genre of the artist. Jan 19 19:59:04 I'd love that. Jan 19 19:59:24 but I don't think our similarity algorithm is up to that on a large scale yet Jan 19 19:59:29 I've seen it done for other things. There'll be plenty of literature on it. Jan 19 19:59:45 there certainly is Jan 19 20:00:05 But I'll need to read up on it. A lot. Jan 19 20:00:58 you'll have to see what your project tutor thinks about it Jan 19 20:01:11 Aye. Jan 19 20:01:26 I'll have to find a new project tutor, though. My current one is next to useless. Jan 19 20:01:30 lol Jan 19 20:02:06 last year when I was at this stage I hadn't got a clue about what I wanted to do. If I was in the 3rd year now I'd be half way through making some sort of vector drawing program. Jan 19 20:02:17 macromedia have that covered Jan 19 20:02:27 lol Jan 19 20:02:30 for LaTeX2e. Jan 19 20:02:30 and adobe Jan 19 20:02:42 that sounds quite evil Jan 19 20:02:54 it sounds tedious :( Jan 19 20:03:02 I'm glad I've got more options this time round :D Jan 19 20:03:19 I'm having a much better year. I'm getting better grades and my house hasn't burned down yet :D Jan 19 20:03:48 how did it burn down before? Jan 19 20:04:11 some stoned halfwit next door thought fire was pretty, and the fire spread through the roof. Jan 19 20:04:29 what a bastard Jan 19 20:04:36 aye Jan 19 20:04:59 other problem with our data is there's so damned much of it ;) Jan 19 20:05:10 I don't see that as being a problem.. Jan 19 20:05:17 more of a boon, methinks. Jan 19 20:05:31 not when 50% of it is crap :) Jan 19 20:05:32 Wah. Boon. I've not used that word for months. Jan 19 20:05:39 crap howso? Jan 19 20:05:50 like, badly tagged files Jan 19 20:05:53 ah Jan 19 20:05:57 or Various Artists *cough*. Jan 19 20:06:00 ick Jan 19 20:06:08 I'm fixing them slowly Jan 19 20:06:14 we still have 1.9 million tracks though Jan 19 20:06:30 * Squiggle is listening to "Various Artists - Nine Inch Nails / Dead Souls Jan 19 20:06:37 to be fair you can filter out most of the crap by getting everything known to more than, say, 3 users Jan 19 20:06:39 woo that's quite a lot. Jan 19 20:06:55 *less Jan 19 20:07:06 I take it you're all music lovers here, then? Jan 19 20:07:56 it's a love-hate relationship when you work with it this much ;) Jan 19 20:08:02 * Squiggle laughs Jan 19 20:08:10 especially with Radiohead Jan 19 20:08:15 and David Bowie Jan 19 20:08:19 and Aphex Twin Jan 19 20:08:52 what's to hate about Bowie and Aphex Twin? Jan 19 20:10:17 erm Jan 19 20:10:29 basically, too many people like them Jan 19 20:10:35 at least on last.fm Jan 19 20:10:41 ah Jan 19 20:11:02 I'll bet Weird Al Yankovic is another culprit. Jan 19 20:11:12 not really, I don't think. Jan 19 20:11:43 no? There's so many tunes that people label as being by him, when they're not. Jan 19 20:11:53 or at Jan 19 20:11:53 other problem with our data is there's so damned much of it ;) Jan 19 20:11:54 I don't see that as being a problem.. Jan 19 20:11:54 more of a boon, methinks. Jan 19 20:11:55 not when 50% of it is crap :) Jan 19 20:11:55 Wah. Boon. I've not used that word for months. Jan 19 20:11:56 crap howso? Jan 19 20:11:57 argh Jan 19 20:11:59 like, badly tagged files Jan 19 20:12:01 ah Jan 19 20:12:04 or Various Artists *cough*. Jan 19 20:12:06 ick Jan 19 20:12:07 I'm fixing them slowly Jan 19 20:12:11 we still have 1.9 million tracks though Jan 19 20:12:11 * Squiggle is listening to "Various Artists - Nine Inch Nails / Dead Souls Jan 19 20:12:13 to be fair you can filter out most of the crap by getting everything known to more than, say, 3 users Jan 19 20:12:18 shitshitshit Jan 19 20:12:18 * Squiggle kicks ctrl+insert. BAD keyboard. Jan 19 20:12:18 lol Jan 19 20:12:22 wrong button Jan 19 20:12:24 sorreh Jan 19 20:12:46 RJ, when did you create the date column in track? Jan 19 20:12:53 I'm guessing between 1 and 2 months ago :) Jan 19 20:13:08 cos there doesn't appear to be anything older than 2 months. Jan 19 20:13:36 or it could just be me Jan 19 20:14:01 yeah, it hasnt always been there Jan 19 20:14:08 so whenever the min(date) is Jan 19 20:14:53 cunning Jan 19 20:15:10 oh Jan 19 20:15:11 er Jan 19 20:15:14 that buggers that theory Jan 19 20:15:19 2002-03-22 00:00:00 Jan 19 20:15:42 i added a "serverdate" field to profile_track_history too, as plugins are all sending non-gmt dates it seems Jan 19 20:15:53 ah Jan 19 20:15:54 last=# select min(date) from track where lastfm = false; Jan 19 20:15:54 min Jan 19 20:15:54 ---------------------------- Jan 19 20:15:54 2003-12-03 20:15:49.368789 Jan 19 20:15:58 ok Jan 19 20:16:01 that figures Jan 19 20:16:11 I was seeing if I could delete old sparsely-scrobbled tracks Jan 19 20:19:00 oh hold on Jan 19 20:19:06 some of them have lastfm as null Jan 19 20:19:13 1.7 million in fact Jan 19 20:19:24 "some". heh. Jan 19 20:25:38 http://test.audioscrobbler.com/user/RJ/ <-- how the user overview will sort-of look Jan 19 20:26:17 feel free to try the "account details" link in the menu on test.audioscrobbler.com - let me know if picture uploading works :) Jan 19 20:27:36 oh RJ, tiiiny nitpick. The age calculation appears to be a day or so out Jan 19 20:27:45 it said I was 19 the day before my birthday Jan 19 20:27:54 just remembered Jan 19 20:27:56 yeah i noticed that around felixs birthday too Jan 19 20:28:00 the SQL needs looking at Jan 19 20:28:09 add it to bugs. :P Jan 19 20:28:35 you're the first person to complain about it so i've not fixed it yet Jan 19 20:28:52 lol Jan 19 20:30:49 woah weird Jan 19 20:30:58 last=# select count(*) from track where date < (now() - INTERVAL '6 months') and scrobcount < 10 and (lastfm = false or lastfm is null); Jan 19 20:30:58 count Jan 19 20:30:58 ------- Jan 19 20:30:58 2 Jan 19 20:30:58 (1 row) Jan 19 20:30:58 Time: 56572.185 ms Jan 19 20:30:58 last=# select count(*) from track where date < (now() - INTERVAL '5 months') and scrobcount < 10 and (lastfm = false or lastfm is null); Jan 19 20:30:58 count Jan 19 20:30:58 --------- Jan 19 20:30:58 1605202 Jan 19 20:30:58 (1 row) Jan 19 20:31:33 That communities thing reminds me of audiogalaxy. Jan 19 20:32:24 oh of course, scrobbler import Jan 19 20:32:29 but still Jan 19 20:32:53 does that mean there are 1.6 million old scrobbler tracks with less than 10 plays Jan 19 20:32:58 --> wolfsong (~wolfsong@c-24-0-116-42.client.comcast.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 20:33:20 I love this :) Jan 19 20:33:21 http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/%E5%90%80%E6%94%80%E6%B8%80%E6%84%80%E6%8C%80%E6%A4%80%E6%BC%80%E7%94%80%E7%8C%80%E2%80%80%E4%90%80/_/%E4%98%80%E7%88%80%E6%A4%80%E6%94%80%E6%B8%80%E6%90%80%E7%8C%80%E6%A0%80%E6%A4%80%E7%80%80%E2%80%80%E5%90%80%E6%94%80%E7%8C%80%E7%90%80 Jan 19 20:33:44 crikey Jan 19 20:33:54 it's chinese Jan 19 20:33:55 ow my eyes! Jan 19 20:33:57 japanese? Jan 19 20:34:00 chineese Jan 19 20:34:05 well it renders ok Jan 19 20:34:09 congratulations Jan 19 20:34:10 :) Jan 19 20:35:26 ok, do these numbers look sensible Jan 19 20:35:39 cos they don't to me Jan 19 20:35:39 last=# select count(*) from track where scrobcount < 10 and (lastfm = false or lastfm is null); Jan 19 20:35:39 count Jan 19 20:35:39 --------- Jan 19 20:35:39 1801254 Jan 19 20:35:39 (1 row) Jan 19 20:36:37 what's more Jan 19 20:36:38 last=# select count(*) from track where scrobcount = 0 and (lastfm = false or lastfm is null); Jan 19 20:36:38 count Jan 19 20:36:38 -------- Jan 19 20:36:38 979104 Jan 19 20:37:05 i think when i first wrote the sql functions when it created new stuff the y had count =0 Jan 19 20:37:09 then i changed it to 1 Jan 19 20:37:44 are there any profile_track entries for the track ewntries with 0 scrobcount and lastfm=false Jan 19 20:37:45 ? Jan 19 20:38:26 oh god, I'm not writing that SQL tonight :) Jan 19 20:39:51 is date date added or date modified? Jan 19 20:40:02 select count(*) from profile_track where track in (select id from track where scrobcount = 0 and (lastfm = false or lastfm is null) Jan 19 20:40:07 ); Jan 19 20:40:24 date added, although when importing i've been updating it to now() Jan 19 20:40:39 so any scrobbled artists/tracks that get associated mp3s get their data bumped up at the moment Jan 19 20:40:46 *date Jan 19 20:41:06 just did this one: Jan 19 20:41:06 last=# select count(*) from track where date < (now() - INTERVAL '4 months') and scrobcount = 0 and (lastfm = false or lastfm is null); Jan 19 20:41:06 count Jan 19 20:41:06 -------- Jan 19 20:41:06 979054 Jan 19 20:42:10 what about when < is > ? Jan 19 20:42:37 erm Jan 19 20:42:42 from the above answers Jan 19 20:42:56 979104 - 979054 :) Jan 19 20:43:01 i.e. bugger all Jan 19 20:43:04 ok Jan 19 20:43:09 so we're better than we were Jan 19 20:43:15 but still Jan 19 20:43:19 that's nearly a million tracks Jan 19 20:43:27 maybe we should cull all entries with < 2 scrobcount Jan 19 20:43:37 which apparently haven't been doing anything for the last few months Jan 19 20:43:38 and no lastfm counters of course Jan 19 20:43:42 yeah Jan 19 20:44:00 back up the db before if you do that now tho Jan 19 20:44:06 not doing it now Jan 19 20:44:09 I'm too tired Jan 19 20:44:12 and it'll take ages Jan 19 20:44:14 fair enough Jan 19 20:44:26 I'll do it tomorrow Jan 19 20:44:35 do you foress any problems with using |formatarticle in the user bio field: http://test.audioscrobbler.com/user/RJ/ Jan 19 20:44:41 *forsee Jan 19 20:44:54 not really no Jan 19 20:45:01 it was designed for stuff like that Jan 19 20:45:23 ok. not too worried about linking to goatse any more as its been taken down :| Jan 19 20:46:15 that's a travesty Jan 19 20:46:28 <-- wolfsong has quit (Quit: BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.) Jan 19 20:46:32 goatse was an institution :P Jan 19 20:47:30 yeah Jan 19 20:47:38 there are of course numerous petitions Jan 19 20:47:45 the registra for .cx got a complain apparently Jan 19 20:47:48 cant think why Jan 19 20:47:49 yeah Jan 19 20:47:57 http://www.nic.cx/complaints/goatse.cx/aup.noticeofcomplaint.pdf Jan 19 20:48:02 yeah i read it Jan 19 20:48:21 ok, sleep Jan 19 20:48:24 cya tomorrow Jan 19 20:48:35 --- Russ is now known as Russ[away] Jan 19 20:48:44 nnight Jan 19 20:49:47 i could really do with someone trying the picture upload on test.audioscrobbler.com.. Jan 19 20:49:49 please :) Jan 19 20:50:00 esp someone with access to IE Jan 19 20:56:01 Time to catch some sleep. Goodnight folks! Jan 19 20:56:11 I'll be back :) Jan 19 20:56:17 <-- Squiggle has quit (Quit: sleep) Jan 19 21:00:56 heh nice pic rj Jan 19 21:03:05 :) Jan 19 21:03:11 think pic upload is a bit b0rked at the mo Jan 19 21:09:25 there Jan 19 21:09:28 think it works now Jan 19 21:09:35 --> snord (~senor@pool-68-163-180-3.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 21:18:33 --> FlyingDev (ExUser@AC8D5F82.ipt.aol.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 21:20:38 <-- FlyingDev (ExUser@AC8D5F82.ipt.aol.com) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 21:30:56 ok i updated the live site with the gossip,new account details and picture upload Jan 19 21:31:04 hope that didnt break too much. i'm off to sleep Jan 19 21:35:20 --> cramperma (cramperman@user-0cdfbsm.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 21:35:31 <-- cramperma (cramperman@user-0cdfbsm.cable.mindspring.com) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 21:36:47 Site-update: Avatars, Details and Gossip Jan 19 21:36:47 Posted on the 20 of January 2004 at 03:36 am Jan 19 21:36:47 I just moved some new code over to the live site: Jan 19 21:36:47 * Gossip system attached to users and artists Jan 19 21:36:48 * Overhauled 'Account Details' - added more fields Jan 19 21:36:50 * Added user pictures - you can upload yourself an avatar Jan 19 21:36:52 * Added FAQ entry explaining gossip Jan 19 21:36:56 Coming soon: Jan 19 21:36:58 * 'Friends' (aka buddy list) Jan 19 21:37:00 * 'Neighbours' (users with similar musical taste) Jan 19 21:37:02 * Pingback/trackback URLs for all messages (blog linkage) Jan 19 21:37:06 RJ Jan 19 21:40:03 <-- thetribe|ZZzzz has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 21:45:17 --> woohoo (eru2@h144n2fls31o991.telia.com) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 21:46:06 * RJ is away: sleepage Jan 19 21:58:16 <-- Eruenion`Away has quit (Ping timeout) Jan 19 21:58:16 --- woohoo is now known as Eruenion`Away Jan 19 22:06:08 --> Humi_ (~humi@initiator.student.utwente.nl) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 22:06:17 <-- Humi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jan 19 22:09:18 --> kisps (~kisps@adsl-63-203-74-203.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 22:09:35 :D Jan 19 22:12:13 ... Jan 19 22:12:16 Query Error: ERROR: date/time field value out of range: "1986-26-07" () Stack dump follows: Jan 19 22:12:16 Jan 19 22:12:16 db->print_error("") in /web/site/www.audioscrobbler.com/core/db.php line 177 Jan 19 22:12:16 db->query("UPDATE user_info SET realname='',sex='',bio='',dob='1986-26-07', homepage='http://www.pipian.com/', externalshop=1 , emailpm='t' WHERE "user"=1000838") in /web/site/www.audioscrobbler.com/www.audioscrobbler.com/php/account.php line 37 Jan 19 22:12:16 Jan 19 22:12:16 Powered by RussError (because EZ_SQL sucks) Jan 19 22:12:27 oh wait Jan 19 22:12:34 you're doing it europe style Jan 19 22:12:55 when will you europeans learn that ISO makes everyone happy/mad Jan 19 22:14:19 :o Jan 19 22:16:30 im hungry Jan 19 22:16:33 :/ Jan 19 22:22:58 --> _cvs (cvs@crash48.student.utwente.nl) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 22:22:58 <-- cvs has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jan 19 22:31:11 --> Jake5 (Jake5@adsl-66-142-220-48.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 22:31:17 hello Jan 19 22:31:25 i dont need help Jan 19 22:31:31 i just want to thank someone Jan 19 22:36:28 <-- Jake5 (Jake5@adsl-66-142-220-48.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) has left #audioscrobbler Jan 19 22:39:29 --> djperegrine (~djperegri@c-67-169-124-109.client.comcast.net) has joined #audioscrobbler Jan 19 22:40:13 <-- djperegrine has quit (Quit: Like VS.net's GUI? 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