A real choice...

[Kether]

Cathay is a dragon civilization, much like how the Empire rules over the Moot. Dragons rule over men. Bretonnia might be worse seeing as they are an entire development by the wood elves to be used as a human shield...


So you'd have Empire, Tilea, Kislev, Norse Tribes, Araby, Nippon

I'll accept this premise, not because I agree with it, but because it's not important enough to be worth adding to what's already become an exhaustive debate.
So can we accept this as a disagreement of opinion without making claims of "you're just holding humans above everything else"? (I finally looked up that phrase) It was obvious we had different standards for awesomeness way back when you claimed humans were lame because they were posers and I stated that I didn't care. I also accept that because of that standard you find dinosaurs to be awesome because the bizarre conspiracy I've never heard of that has dinosaurs creating human civilization. There's really no point in you trying to make humans look bad.

Yeah I noticed we really went off on a tangent. You claimed that Dinosaurs weren't cool because all they do is copy what humans do. SO you will accept that since dinosaurs came first humans are copying them?

[Adell Plushie]

Yeah I noticed we really went off on a tangent. You claimed that Dinosaurs weren't cool because all they do is copy what humans do. SO you will accept that since dinosaurs came first humans are copying them?

Actually, I claimed they weren't cool because they were extinct.
My point about awesome non-humans being awesome because they were similar to humans was referring to how fictional creatures are made to imitate humans, which are real, to be awesome. In that sense, it seems clear to me that humans are the base source of awesome in fiction. This is also why I judge races' awesomeness according to the values of the human race (magic notwithstanding) rather than things like unification, nigh-invincibility, age of the species, etc. So as long as I refuse to believe that humans ACTUALLY copied dinosaurs to create the current civilization in real life, that argument remains intact.

[Kether]

Yeah I noticed we really went off on a tangent. You claimed that Dinosaurs weren't cool because all they do is copy what humans do. SO you will accept that since dinosaurs came first humans are copying them?

Actually, I claimed they weren't cool because they were extinct.
My point about awesome non-humans being awesome because they were similar to humans was referring to how fictional creatures are made to imitate humans, which are real, to be awesome. In that sense, it seems clear to me that humans are the base source of awesome in fiction. This is also why I judge races' awesomeness according to the values of the human race (magic notwithstanding) rather than things like unification, nigh-invincibility, age of the species, etc. So as long as I refuse to believe that humans ACTUALLY copied dinosaurs to create the current civilization in real life, that argument remains intact.

Pft. Has anybody notice that the only awesome robots (or dinosaurs, in this case) are the ones that have human characteristics? Put a human in that dinosaur's place, get the same effect.
Dinosaurs are losers. Died out millions of years before humans even walked upright. And the only ones left are mostly hunted for sport.
Men win.

It could read either way, it does seem solidly you are discrediting the coolness of dinosaurs and robots because they are just doing human things...

[Adell Plushie]

It could read either way, it does seem solidly you are discrediting the coolness of dinosaurs and robots because they are just doing human things...

Yes. Because "human things" are real things.
You can say that imaginary dinosaurs came before imaginary humans and that the imaginary humans took their traits from the imaginary dinosaurs... but you're giving those imaginary dinosaurs traits of real humans for the "imaginary humans" to copy in turn. And you can run that cycle for as long as you want, in as many ways as you want.
"Where did the Slann get their magic? Old Ones! Who were the Old Ones? Well, I found a fiction where the Old Ones were actually humans that had found ways to become supreme beings able to transcend time and space, and went back in time to guide the younger races! So humans rule!"
I find the argument that non-humans are only awesome because they have (real) human-like traits to be far more sensible.

[Kether]

It could read either way, it does seem solidly you are discrediting the coolness of dinosaurs and robots because they are just doing human things...

Yes. Because "human things" are real things.
You can say that imaginary dinosaurs came before imaginary humans and that the imaginary humans took their traits from the imaginary dinosaurs... but you're giving those imaginary dinosaurs traits of real humans for the "imaginary humans" to copy in turn. And you can run that cycle for as long as you want, in as many ways as you want.
"Where did the Slann get their magic? Old Ones! Who were the Old Ones? Well, I found a fiction where the Old Ones were actually humans that had found ways to become supreme beings able to transcend time and space, and went back in time to guide the younger races! So humans rule!"
I find the argument that non-humans are only awesome because they have (real) human-like traits to be far more sensible.

So your fundimental arguement for why Humans are awesome is because they exist in the real world while other things do not

[Adell Plushie]

So your fundimental arguement for why Humans are awesome is because they exist in the real world while other things do not

Nope! Think about it.
Dinosaurs existed. We know generally what traits they had.
You said dinosaurs were the most awesome. But you didn't say they were awesome because they were giant, scaly killing machines with teeth and horns and claws.
Instead, you posted a picture of a dinosaur... wearing sunglasses and a leather jacket, wielding guns, and surrounded by a veritable mountain of women (human women, at that!). It was a dinosaur imitating a human.
And because you can point out a fiction, or theory, or whatever that says humans copied such traits and mannerisms from dinosaurs really doesn't change that.

Like I said, when people point out the most awesome examples of various groups - Bender of the robots, Etna of the demons, or your dinosaur in the picture - they're inevitably those that exhibit human traits, rather than those unique to their own race.