A real choice...

[Mitera Nikkou]

Let's not devolve into insults. If you must continue the impasse of your argument, please take it somewhere else. I recommend the Muffin room or somewhere private. ;/

[Adell Plushie]

Let's not devolve into insults. If you must continue the impasse of your argument, please take it somewhere else. I recommend the Muffin room or somewhere private. ;/

I hardly think being compared unfavorably to Lian's imaginary dinosaur people is in an insult.
She's just upset that she can't offer anything that sounds like a real argument as to why a bunch of dumb, dead animals are awesome.

[Mitera Nikkou]

If you say so. I still think that this kind of discussion/argument is better being elsewhere, though.

[Kether]

I am saying real world conspiracy theories have as much Validity as "This manga says we are awesome"

[Syllinia]

While that may well be true, at least we can all agree that demons are far superior to all else. I think we can agree that the scale goes something like this...

Demons -> Dinosaurs -> Robots -> Men (Including Chuck Norris) -> Orcs -> Faeries -> Mid-Childans -> Dwarves -> Halflings -> Bacterium -> Standing Water -> Elves

Demons are obviously at the top because we are above this dinosaur conspiracy, not reliant on machines to accomplish our goals, and almost universally feared my man. Dinosaurs are next because they also have no need for machinery and have the humans wrapped around their relatively tiny fingers. Next are robots, because they were made to perform the tasks that humans couldn't do themselves, and if properly made far surpass their creators. Next are humans, because they are generally awesome, and have Negi Springfield and Chuck Norris. Next are orcs, because they are ruthless killing machines that make their technology work through sheer force of will and can perform photosynthesis. (These are 40k orcs, other orcs drop down on the scale) Next are Faeries, because Nikkou said so, and that's gotta count for something, right? Next on the list are Mid-Childans. If they're from sailor moon, they obviously aren't nearly as awesome as any of the above, so placing them here is probably a bit generous, but why not? Next are dwarves. They're short, stubborn, old-fashioned, but kinda cool in their own way. They're also great weapon smiths, which is impressive considering they can outdo those with excessive magic at their disposal without using those corner-cutting methods. Next are half-lings. They're okay, I guess. They're short, fat, lazy and get a +1 bonus to throwing weapons. Sure, they saved the world from some dark wizard, but only because everyone thought that they were too worthless to do what everyone else could do easily. Next up, bacterium. These awesome little guys are literally everywhere, are the basis for our existence, and even help us to perform some biological functions, acting in a symbiotic manner. Next up, standing water. It's tasty, and lets mosquitoes breed. And as we all know from Jurassic Park, mosquitoes let us make dinosaurs. As dinosaurs are near the top of the ladder, that launches standing water above the inhabitants of the bottom rung... Elves. They are like humans, except without the good qualities that keep humans from being a waste of space. And on top of that, they take forever to die, those immortal jerks! If they had their way, they'd cover the face of the planet, using up all the good standing water and bacterium, while giving nothing back. Luckily, they're about as frail as house flies, and have even more people looking to swat them.

[Comartemis]

Next on the list are Mid-Childans. If they're from sailor moon, they obviously aren't nearly as awesome as any of the above, so placing them here is probably a bit generous, but why not?

First off, what's your beef with Sailor Moon?

Second, the Mid-Childans are from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, not Sailor Moon, and they're nearly identical to humans; they just have huge magical potential on the individual level, to the point where their entire society revolves around magic.

Of course, Nanoha and Hayate are both humans and they're just as powerful as Fate in their own ways; Fate focuses more on speed and melee attacks where Nanoha and Hayate are more like magical artillery pieces; there's a very good reason why Nanoha's fans gave her the nickname 'Devil Cannon'.

So I'd reorganize that list to put humans and Mid-Childans on roughly the same level.

[Syllinia]

If they're from a magical-girl show, it's all the same. And what are you complaining about, I put them right under orcs, humans, and faeries. I mean, they're still above the awesomeness that is dwarves. As they lack both Chuck Norris and Negi Springfield by not being human, they are definitely below orcs, and belong below faeries due to Nikkou's greatness.

Besides, we all know that the only magical girl worth her salt is the great and noble Firefox.

[Comartemis]

If they're from a magical-girl show, it's all the same.

No it damn well isn't. You're making a hasty evaluation of a show you've never even heard of based on the fact that it's from the magical girl genre.

Am I the only one who thinks that that's rather ignorant of Syllinia?

And you say ranked below Orcs as if that's a good thing. I am not the least bit impressed with that evaluation.

[Syllinia]

First of all, no swearing. This isn't the Muffin Room. Second of all, if you think that orcs are unimpressive, you need to look into them. Come back once you're finished. I'll be waiting.

Oh, and make sure it's the Warhammer 40k orcs. As I said, if it's any others, they'd be lower on the scale.

[Comartemis]

Ah, Warhammer Orcs. That's different.

*Raises a banner of WAAAAGH!, then gets gunned down by a bunch of Chaos Space Marines*

[Adell Plushie]

But aren't you defining a species that spans dozens of different fiction genres according to one little subset of them? It'd be like if I judged all demons by the wandering monster variety (definitely at the low end of the awesome scale).
Demons are pretty awesome, but men are better because you don't see any truly remarkable specimens come out of demonkind. You have your garden-variety demons, and then you have... your insanely powerful demons. And having a bunch of power doesn't make one awesome.
And you don't make a better case for dinosaurs than Lian does. They're a bunch of dumb, lazy, under-evolved lizards that already went extinct, save for a few pockets of survivors that are usually hunted down for sport or used as mounts by more intelligent creatures.
The most awesome of the dinosaur-like species would have to be the Reptites - again, because of their similarity to humans - at least before they were all defeated by a time-traveling samurai and then destroyed by Lavos' arrival on Earth...

[Syllinia]

First, I'm glad that you at least agree that robots are superior to humans by default. Second, I'd simply say that you have to look at the best from each category. Otherwise it wouldn't matter that humans have Negi Springfield and Chuck Norris because most humans are stupid, greedy, and easily manipulated. However, by looking at the best you get to say, humans have Negi, so they're awesome, demons have me, so they're the best, robots are superior to humans, and the coolest orcs, the ones from Warhammer 40k, are awesome. It also lets you talk about the best dinosaurs that are put forward, which are involved in a conspiracy that manipulates humans.

If you want to talk about the average/mediocre, the conversation takes a turn for the lame. Now it's between a normal, unintelligent raptor, a random guy from the street, a service droid, and a standard orc that is just and angrier, stupider human. Talking about the peak is more fun and really it requires less subjective judgments. You could very easily argue that a service droid is not the average example of a robot, which would be an argument that would be avoided by talking about each peak.

[Comartemis]

demons have me, so they're the best

I'd say something about an overinflated ego, but that'd be a textbook case of the pot calling the kettle black.

No, demons are awesome because they have the True Zenon, Etna, Axel (who really is awesome in his own semi-pathetic way), succubae, nekomata, and a certain red-headed martial artist we all know and love.

[Adell Plushie]

I never agreed that robots were superior. I've already said why robots aren't awesome, and nothing you said affected that point of view. For me, free will is a basic requirement for awesomeness.
And you also haven't addressed the other idea: that all of these other things, from dinosaurs to demons, are only awesome when they have characteristics similar to humans. Just look at the examples people use. I didn't see any mention of baciels or Cthulu, but rather Etna, you, Axel, etc. Demons that look like and act like humans.
The only thing you've given that challenges that is Orks, and I must yield to your other point about taking the best from each category to judge, as well.
Of course, if you drop off all the rest of humanity, the concentrated awesomeness of Negi, Chuck Norris, Iori Yagami, Ninjas, Samurai, and Snake bumps them up even further, far past demons and supposed manipulative dinosaurs (since when was manipulating humans so impressive?) that I've never heard of.
Men are tops.

[Syllinia]

Well, then we've agreed on the terms of determining the ordering of the scale and just disagree on exactly how awesome each thing is. This is to be expected. As long as we can all agree that elves are below paramecium and standing water for the reasons I listed, I'm content.