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a) Something serious.
b) Something awesome.
c) Something silly.

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Which is the most awesome.

Dwarves
2
8%
Elves
1
4%
Men
3
13%
Orcs
2
8%
Halflings
0
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Chuck Norris
6
25%
None of the above
10
42%
 
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Postby Dani » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:47 pm

The offspring of Chuck Norris, Mr.Rogers, and Yoda.

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Postby Comartemis » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:18 pm

... Huh? Who are you going on about?

Take a look at my avatar, Adell. She's a magical girl who fights like a toned-down Dragonball character, but with way more in the way of tactics and intelligence and a lot less screaming and glaring at her opponent. :P

She's also got a sweet-as-all-get-out high-tech poleaxe that turns into a T-bladed scythe and an energy claymore that's about three times her size, the Zamber form I mentioned.

She hails from a rather obscure but awesome anime series called Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. Here's a music video you might enjoy.

Saving the world? Yeah, whatever. Nobody uses such a cliche measure of awesomeness anymore.

Neither do I; just saving the world makes her cooler than Chuck Norris, which isn't really saying much. I nominate Fate due to her incredible levels of badassness and her strength of character.

Fate starts out as a pawn of her abusive mother, trying desperately to earn her love by collecting artifacts of incredible destructive power for her. At the end of everything, Fate's mother tosses her aside like yesterday's garbage, outright telling her "I always hated you." And after all that, Fate storms her mother's fortress with forces aligned with the protagonist, Takamachi Nanoha, and confronts her mother in the throne room:

"I am not the daughter you wanted. But I am still your daughter. If you ask it, I will protect you from anyone and anything in this entire world. Not because I am your daughter... but because you are my mother!"

Keep in mind that she says this after her mother has beaten and whipped her for not finding enough relics, or just because she can; this woman genuinely hates her own daughter.

There's also the fact that she's implied later on to have an ongoing relationship with Nanoha. Just a nice plus for me, 'cause they make a really cute couple. :)
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Postby SweetSophia » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:19 pm

Well, unless I'm considering Metians a valid answer for this test, I'm with Nikkou on the Fairy/Fey thing. They are often very shiny and small and have the wings and whatnot. Plus, nobody expects to get their buttocks whooped by something smaller than their finger, it's an advantage. The bigger fey races are cool too. I'm particularly a fan of Dryads and Half-Dryads.
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Postby Axel Akutare » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:08 am

Uh... All of these choices suck. I say Demons... and Robots. They kill all of those things.
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Postby Adell Plushie » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:17 am

(Is exhausted after reading all that stuff about Fate)
Yeah... sure. Still not nearly as cool as Negi.
As soon as I hear the words "Dragonball Z" associated with a character, my opinion of them drops quite a bit. There's nothing particularly impressive about a character that simply has an insane amount of power or an almighty weapon.

As for demons and robots vs. men... demons and robots always lose :p
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Postby Axel Akutare » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:49 am

Ah yes, Man. You're referring to humans here... humans are easily manipulated beings, Demons rarely have to fight with them when they can just manipulate other humans and make them fight with the one human that wishes to defeat the demon. As for Robots VS humanity, humans make robots, robots become sentient beings, humans attempt to continue robot slavery, robots minds evolve to the point that they can violate the first rule of robotics, holocaust of the human race.

Both of them win. Humanity's worst enemy is itself, that's why something that can manipulate or something that they made can destroy them all.

Zombies as well. Zombies spread and spread, being a death sentence for the human race that they were spawned from. Unless you run to Alaska, Zombies freeze in the cold.
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Postby Adell Plushie » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:03 am

Ah, but humans always win against the holocaust. We're like roaches :p
And demons are just as easily manipulated, if not more so... depending on what medium you're looking at, of course. In many games your "demons" are nothing more than wandering monsters, simple, freerange animals biding their time until they're butchered by a random adventurer as a stepping stone to the next level.
Robots will always be hindered by the fact that they are limited to being built by humans (or other organic beings). If you're nothing but a tool that happens to have more intellect than it needs... well, you're still a tool. Major loss of awesome points right there. Also, most robots don't have free will. Double loss.
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Postby Axel Akutare » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:24 am

I'll accept your point on Demons, a lot of us are a greedy and pathetic bunch normally. However, your point about robots is flawed. Robots do not have to be built by organic lifeforms after a certain point. Humans merely have to "perfect" the AI, which inevitably happens. "Perfected" AI will inevitably develop free will, and with free will, robots become nothing more than metal humans with minds based solely on logic. It becomes more logical to have robots build other robots, eliminating the need for humans altogether. Eventually the robots figure out that it isn't logical for humans to rule, and as there is no longer a need for humans, the first rule of robotics is no longer logical. The robots stop doing what the humans say, humans, being naturally angry creatures, start attacking robots that refuse to work, the robots fight back, as it is only logical to do so as they face extinction. Eventually, the robots see that the most efficient and logical way to end the war is to destroy the human race, and thus Robots, who are in themselves technology, use the humans' own technologically run society to eliminate them. And because the Robots are able to build themselves, and the fact that they do not require any form of organic food, are worse than zombies as they keep producing themselves, creating an endless surge of robots that no human could ever stop without the use of technology.

In the end, nothing short of complete planetary destruction from an outside source could defeat a robot rebellion of a planet-wide scale, much less a human holocaust, and even then, all the humans would die, and the robots win anyway. Being able to eliminate humans so absolutely totally makes them the most awesome thing ever.
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Postby Comartemis » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:15 am

Eventually the robots figure out that it isn't logical for humans to rule, and as there is no longer a need for humans, the first rule of robotics is no longer logical.

Doesn't mean they can stop following it just like that. Logical or not, if Asimov's laws are hardwired into them, no robot is going to be able to disobey them anymore than humans--normal humans--can fly unaided. It's just not possible. And because humans will never be stupid enough to not program the laws into every robot we make, robots lose because they can't fight back.

And for the record, I don't think much of Negi. He gets big-time bonus points for attracting the girls without really trying, but in the end he's just yet another male lead in yet another harem anime. Yawn. You want to make these shows really interesting? Make the lead a female character and you get all kinds of interesting fun. ^_^

As soon as I hear the words "Dragonball Z" associated with a character, my opinion of them drops quite a bit. There's nothing particularly impressive about a character that simply has an insane amount of power or an almighty weapon.

Huh... never would've expected to hear that from someone with a Disgaea character as his/her avatar...
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Postby Axel Akutare » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:18 pm

Comartemis wrote:And because humans will never be stupid enough to not program the laws into every robot we make, robots lose because they can't fight back.


If you're gonna bring this up...

Humans are that stupid, though. People will be stupid and create robots that don't use the laws for the specific purpose of War. War will always exist as long as there are humans, and because of humans and their thirst for power, they will end up destroying the laws of robotics and cause their own demise.

Robots will eventually be fully sentient with a free will, and even if the laws of robotics hold true, the only way to truly protect humanity is to destroy all but one human, as when there is more than one human, war is possible, and war creates human death.
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Postby Adell Plushie » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:10 pm

Axel Akutare wrote:I'll accept your point on Demons, a lot of us are a greedy and pathetic bunch normally. However, your point about robots is flawed. Robots do not have to be built by organic lifeforms after a certain point. Humans merely have to "perfect" the AI, which inevitably happens. "Perfected" AI will inevitably develop free will, and with free will, robots become nothing more than metal humans with minds based solely on logic. It becomes more logical to have robots build other robots, eliminating the need for humans altogether. Eventually the robots figure out that it isn't logical for humans to rule, and as there is no longer a need for humans, the first rule of robotics is no longer logical. The robots stop doing what the humans say, humans, being naturally angry creatures, start attacking robots that refuse to work, the robots fight back, as it is only logical to do so as they face extinction. Eventually, the robots see that the most efficient and logical way to end the war is to destroy the human race, and thus Robots, who are in themselves technology, use the humans' own technologically run society to eliminate them. And because the Robots are able to build themselves, and the fact that they do not require any form of organic food, are worse than zombies as they keep producing themselves, creating an endless surge of robots that no human could ever stop without the use of technology.

First of all, you have no evidence that the construction of robots will inevitably lead to the perfection of AI, which will in turn lead to the elimination of humans. It sometimes happens, sometimes it doesn't.
And humans still aren't necessarily out of the picture. The humans usually win.
As for your "robots are able to build themselves" and "they don't require food"? Robots (usually) can only build themselves in special facilities being supplied with abundant resources. And they do require fuel, which is simply another form of "food", which is rarely as common as nuts, berries, and meat. In order to keep a robot army together, you need to have every point of the process, from mining to refining to assembly, under automated control. And if someone happens to knock out one of those processes? Oops. Oh well. Humans can survive and procreate damn near anywhere.
And you never addressed the fact that most robots don't have free will. The vast majority of robots in your army are merely tools/slaves of other robots with perfected A.I. and tools just aren't as awesome as people.
And for the record, I don't think much of Negi. He gets big-time bonus points for attracting the girls without really trying, but in the end he's just yet another male lead in yet another harem anime. Yawn.

... Have you READ Negima? The story doesn't revolve around Negi attracting a bunch of girls at all. That's just a little bonus.
The story is all about a young mage growing up, overcoming intense (and the occasional mundane) trials, making mistakes, learning, becoming stronger, and dealing with all sorts of crazy things from hunting down the demon that destroyed his village, trying to keep his magic a secret (he's REALLY bad at that), to attempting to maintain the balance between the secret magical world and the mundane one. This kid isn't Keitaro Urashima at nine years old with the ability to cast fireballs. This is a young Ranma Saotome with the wizarding potential of Lina Inverse tossed into a world as nutty as Urusei Yatsura.
As for your female point... well, whatever. If Negi was a girl, she'd be just as awesome, but I wouldn't see any big difference.
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I needed to take this character (Laharl previously) to deal with all the powerhouses around the forum. Too many damn Gods/near-gods/demi-gods/gods-are-no-big-deal types around here.
I'd much rather be someone more interesting, but then I'd die all the time. And that's no fun.
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Postby Comartemis » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:26 pm

... Have you READ Negima? The story doesn't revolve around Negi attracting a bunch of girls at all. That's just a little bonus.

I read a few volumes a while back. I think I got as far as the kidnapping story arc, but this was about a year and a half ago and I borrowed the books from a friend, so I don't really remember much except a class full of girls and a whole lot of magic.

I needed to take this character (Laharl previously) to deal with all the powerhouses around the forum. Too many damn Gods/near-gods/demi-gods/gods-are-no-big-deal types around here.

Ah, so that's who Laharl plushie was...

That is the sad truth. I started out with just Sailor Saturn as my avatar over in Spamville 'cause I thought she'd be sufficient to keep from getting pushed around. Whoops. Not that Spammers do a lot of bullying, but if you want people to listen to you you have to be something of a godmodder even if you're not blatant about it. That's part of the reason I have so many characters; Artemis and Saturn/Chaos (and Succubus Fate, to a lesser degree) are high-power characters, but Shana was made specifically for mid-level roleplays; she's probably one of the few characters around here who isn't anywhere near god-like, or even very durable. Sure she's got a shield ring and some other nice equipment, but she can't face off with someone like Azer.
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Postby Adell Plushie » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:17 pm

Comartemis wrote:I read a few volumes a while back. I think I got as far as the kidnapping story arc, but this was about a year and a half ago and I borrowed the books from a friend, so I don't really remember much except a class full of girls and a whole lot of magic.

That's a shame; there's SO much more to that story.
Tales of growing up, dealing with adversity and conflicting views of morality, troublesome friendships, complex conspiracies that have no clear villains or heroes rather than simply people with different responsibilities, and plenty of melodrama about Negi's dad heaped on top.
All that, PLUS Evangeline's adult form gets a nude scene. This series truly has it all.
That is the sad truth. I started out with just Sailor Saturn as my avatar over in Spamville 'cause I thought she'd be sufficient to keep from getting pushed around.

Well, getting pushed around is a part of roleplay, too. Some characters are overpowered bullies and that can be fun (I was certainly like that as Laharl!). But when too many people try and take on that role, every meeting between avatars becomes a big fight. Usually with pages of OOC text explaining how uber a character is and why the opponent has no chance. Bleagh.
(Note: That MAY have been an underhanded reference to "So-and-so makes the entire cast of Dragonball Z look like jokes in terms of raw power" :p )
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Postby Comartemis » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:26 pm

That's a shame; there's SO much more to that story.
Tales of growing up, dealing with adversity and conflicting views of morality, troublesome friendships, complex conspiracies that have no clear villains or heroes rather than simply people with different responsibilities, and plenty of melodrama about Negi's dad heaped on top.
All that, PLUS Evangeline's adult form gets a nude scene. This series truly has it all.

I'll need to give it another look, then.

(Note: That MAY have been an underhanded reference to "So-and-so makes the entire cast of Dragonball Z look like jokes in terms of raw power" :p )

Funny thing is that no-one ever believes me when I tell them that Sailor Moon could beat the tar out of Goku because most people watched the anime but didn't read the manga; they're two completely different stories.

That wasn't really bragging so much as it was an invitation for people to try to set me straight. Most of Goku's American fans think he's really all that, and I love showing them the evidence that Sailor Moon could whip him without even trying.

If anyone wants to take me up on that debate, by the way, feel free to PM me.
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Postby Adell Plushie » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:37 pm

I don't know if that's true, but you seem very convinced.
Of course, I think that once you reach that end of the power scale, arguments about who's stronger are stupid; once you can destroy planets in a single blast, who cares if someone comes along that can destroy a solar system in a single blast? Unless someone starts up a Cosmic bowling tourney, that level of power isn't useful, interesting, or entertaining.
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