Damn the "TGTF games" site!

[Xia]

Which looks exactly like thinking. So you have no idea which one I'm doing.

[Kumi-chan]

Blah you spoiled the end to my current rp! I planned on it ending in hot horny sexy! Bwahaha.

Ending goofing off now. Akemi it is nice to see you once more. And really I like a lot, a whole lot. To me I think most people would think I like some weird things. But then I look at sites like that TGTF games and go whaaa? gross! And you know its bad when the person saying that like pregnancy from start to finish. I myself still think pregnancy can have its place in MSF and would like to see more content with it here. But I won't force it because I do realize some, most don't like it.

[Ninian]

Blah you spoiled the end to my current rp! I planned on it ending in hot horny sexy! Bwahaha.

Ending goofing off now. Akemi it is nice to see you once more. And really I like a lot, a whole lot. To me I think most people would think I like some weird things. But then I look at sites like that TGTF games and go whaaa? gross! And you know its bad when the person saying that like pregnancy from start to finish. I myself still think pregnancy can have its place in MSF and would like to see more content with it here. But I won't force it because I do realize some, most don't like it.

Hey, I like inanimate TFs. And domination. And death/abyssal themes (I've gone rather goth since I was last seen). And lots of that kinda stuff. It's okay to be a little weird, and I had problems with MSF before because I felt like my weirdness wasn't allowed.

I think we should be allowed to be open about what kind of things we like, but implications leading up to sex, violence, drug use, etc. has no place here. Aside from that obvious mission statement, balance is indeed between alienating people with unusual or fresh ideas (or even kinks) and alienating people who might be afraid of introducing themselves lest they get roped into something they don't want to do.


EDIT: In the case of pregnancy, my ruling would be that it's a legitimate part of the female experience and this site is about taking off some of those taboos for the sake of exploring. You'd just need to make sure everyone was cool with the direction you were going, and that you're not just using it as a form of foreplay or toothbrush.

[Kumi-chan]

Saying one likes certain things is not bad. It is good to share. One can control themselves enough to not always act on those things. I do agree with you completely on the approach to most things.
That is how pregnancy should always be approached here since it is part of the experience of TG. And with how relations tend to go in RPs here it often times leads to one of the people in it being pregnant.

[Miku-chan]

Personally, I like the fluf and the PG-13 here because it allows the younger user a chance to explore other concepts in a TG/TF without crossing certain cultural or religious taboo's for many who are questioning those same taboo's. And there are certain elements in a TG/TF that can de done without the big balone being present. I try not to judge others for their choices, but there are times I bite my toung hard enough to make it bleed as I struggle to understand the need for the setting. But for those times that I can not understand, I mentally change the channel to tune out things like that.

[Ninian]

Normally I can just sort of roll with it. For example, I can actually deal with Fictionmania at times, and the sheer ludicrousness of the CYOC.net content and my ability to quickly hit the back button makes it all right for me. TGTF games is different. Porn has saturated that culture. They rarely mark adult themes in anything they post, and if there aren't any one of the first complaints someone will post is the lack of sex or sexy pictures in the game. You only need look at most of the stripperriffic avatars they use to see just how deeply "infiltrated" this site is. It wasn't always like this, I'm not sure when or how it happened either.

But I do know this -- the more upset about it I got, the more I realized a community that did the reverse of they could have even greater potential. My two options were to either think about starting such a site -- or getting a likeminded friend to -- or try to remember a place from my internet history that already had the kind of culture I'm talking about. I just wish badly I could shake MSFers out of creative apathy and get us producing stuff that'd shame those perverts. Though unlike before, I know I'm not going to see that happen just by yelling at them.

[Miku-chan]

The thing I have learned here at MSF is if you want to get people involved in something to shake them out of the creative apithy you call it is to do something so insane or nearly over the top to get them active on the subject...and I dont have that kind of time to play any more... Though I try...

There is a burn out point I think that people hit ang get apithetic towards stuff like you've brought up over at TGTF games and such. They get tired of the fight and just let it happen and get more frustrated and more apithetic until they call it quits. Such a shame too as those are the ones who usually have the much more polished styles and abilities too...

[Moonlit Naiad]

But I do know this -- the more upset about it I got, the more I realized a community that did the reverse of they could have even greater potential. My two options were to either think about starting such a site -- or getting a likeminded friend to -- or try to remember a place from my internet history that already had the kind of culture I'm talking about. I just wish badly I could shake MSFers out of creative apathy and get us producing stuff that'd shame those perverts. Though unlike before, I know I'm not going to see that happen just by yelling at them.

I didn't bother posting on MSF about my latest game because of the underwhelming responses the past couple times. Bad as TFGamesSite is, there's still been more feedback there. Part of it, I think, is the focus. There's no specific spot to talk about games or link new stuff here. The first one I think that I linked here, I couldn't decide if it went under Stories or General, both of which seem to be relatively low-traffic subforums.

[Ninian]

I didn't bother posting on MSF about my latest game because of the underwhelming responses the past couple times. Bad as TFGamesSite is, there's still been more feedback there. Part of it, I think, is the focus. There's no specific spot to talk about games or link new stuff here. The first one I think that I linked here, I couldn't decide if it went under Stories or General, both of which seem to be relatively low-traffic subforums.

The problem is also generally that the forum is a shambling zombie that just hasn't stopped moving yet. I've thought before of suggesting to you to try starting a Midnight Aurora forum again, under the same general principle as MSF. It might be an empty echochamber there too, but I think it'd be far more likely to get new blood than MSF. The main reason I hadn't suggested this was because I wasn't sure you'd want the stress of being a forum admin.
The reason I believe people would be quicker to post at a new forum is because I think new people come to MSF, look at the general activity of the forums and realize right away it's a ghost town and leave. Looking at a mostly empty forum though, they might get the idea they're some kind of "early adopter" and attempt to begin filling it with discussion. That's the main reason I made the suggestion of a mass culling of posts in the Comments forum -- at least give new visitors an impression of the community being young or new, even if it's basically a blatant lie.


Anyways, I'd like to resuscitate the MSF community (either way) for two major reasons:

1. I have an affinity for the undead. Maybe we can either pretty up this zombie -- make it a higher ranking undead -- or send it to its rest finally. Either way, feels like my touch is needed.

2. It kinda pisses me the hell off on some level that TG and transformation communities that sicken me are lively and thriving, and the one representing my values is barely on life support. This is a travesty of justice.

[Mitera Nikkou]

Well, you can't always choose the kind of people who find interest in this kind of place, and you certainly can't choose what kind of people they are and how much time and effort they can dedicate toward it. Nor can you force somebody to be someone they're not, for your and/or the site's sake. That's the main "problem." Most of the people who come here do so to spend a bit of time having fun. What people like you or I would like to do would be (most likely) considered work to most, which, while the result would be desired, its process and requirements come into conflict with one thing or another, such as time constraints, particular interests, skills in any given area needed, confidence in said area, the amount of motivation, incentive or enticement required for them to take action, et cetera.

I doubt it's any different from that other site. In part, it's a matter of whether you prefer to relax and have fun with an orgasm or something more intellectually stimulating. As far as I can tell, sexual stimulation just seems to be the preferred course of things, when everything's said and done. The "easy" path, perhaps. I mean, when I was introduced to the Aeternalae, I didn't associate sex with it. Cute, sensual and platonic intimacy, yes, but sexy and sex, no. But it didn't take long for sex to become a factor and, of course, it went right into a slew of typical sexual fetishes associated with domination and submission. I don't know whatever became of that, but it's an example of how sex is simply insidious. I suppose that's why there's a Rule 34. *Shrugs*

While I'm more than willing to do what I can for MSF, it's always an uphill battle for me. I tumble down it multiple times before I reach the top, only for the effort to amount to nothing. Captions were easy enough, so I stuck with that for a while, but I've always wanted to do more. My personal problems haven't helped, either. In the end, I just get too disheartened and beat up on myself for failing to have any impact, and it takes me months to get myself to try something else, however futile I'll think it'll be to do so. MSF has become a sort of depressing gauntlet for me, a reminder of how useless I am. Yet, here I am... Well, I've got no other place, really. But, hey, at least I'm trying. Like some limbless, senseless person wriggling around aimlessly on the ground.

There I go, again.

*Sighs*

[Moonlit Naiad]

I've thought before of suggesting to you to try starting a Midnight Aurora forum again, under the same general principle as MSF. It might be an empty echochamber there too, but I think it'd be far more likely to get new blood than MSF. The main reason I hadn't suggested this was because I wasn't sure you'd want the stress of being a forum admin.

You may see something primitive in a few days or so. I need a break from working in RMVX anyway. ^.~

[Ninian]

You may see something primitive in a few days or so. I need a break from working in RMVX anyway. ^.~

Dude...

Sweet!

[Bigmouthstrikes]

This is an interesting thread, for me. I do enjoy this kind of material as a bit of a kink, but frankly, I also like that kink to stay non sexual. I actually got forced out of a site before I came here because I wouldn't write sexual material. One RP I was in had veered off into a fictional world where women are sexually dominated and enslaved by men and I refused to participate, so I was asked to leave. Coming here, then, was a breath of fresh air, because here I have a community where I can enjoy a TF theme, I can use RPing as a creative outlet, and I can do it without having to cave into explicit material that I'm not comfortable with. I admire this community for going against that norm and forcing a PG-13 rating here.

Now, with that said, I'd like to add that I think you're a bit too hard on the younger breed of posters. I do believe that there are original concepts created here, and creative work that takes place. To dismiss everything we do as scatterbrained and unoriginal seems a bit unfair.

[Blaze]

I don't know if you meant it in the way I'm thinking Ninan, but it sounds like you're saying the forums are dead. Which is completely untrue. Yes there are only a few active posters, but an active community doesn't equal a large one. The few frequent posters have helped create one of my favorite places ever.

But if you're talking in terms of creativity, the problem is there's not a lot more to do. Almost every avenue of transformation and methods of transformation have been explored, short of going into the adult stuff, (which I am completely against.) And it doesn't help that one of our most creative members has low self-esteem. (Yes Nikkou, I'm talking about you.)

[Ninian]

I don't know if you meant it in the way I'm thinking Ninan, but it sounds like you're saying the forums are dead. Which is completely untrue. Yes there are only a few active posters, but an active community doesn't equal a large one. The few frequent posters have helped create one of my favorite places ever.

Appeal to Emotion. Also, I'm not talking about the community being dead. I'm talking about the MSF forums itself. MSF might eventually die, but the community will probably survive that. But both the forums and the community suffer if there isn't new blood, and will eventually die if there are more people leaving than joining or staying. My original point was that the community behind MSF -- and the site itself -- has probably stayed alive this long because nothing else fits its niche.

But if you're talking in terms of creativity, the problem is there's not a lot more to do. Almost every avenue of transformation and methods of transformation have been explored, short of going into the adult stuff, (which I am completely against.) And it doesn't help that one of our most creative members has low self-esteem. (Yes Nikkou, I'm talking about you.)

No offense Blaze, but it sounds like you're defending your community against criticism without even thinking about what you're saying. Are you serious? Nothing left to do? I do say, you're really selling the people here short. I mean no disrespect to you when I say this, but please step away from site loyalty for the sake of it for a second and look at the bigger picture. Is there anyone here who can draw manga-level art? Is there anyone here who put out a novel? Is there a video game? Where is the oekaki board? Hell, how many of you even create something relatively simple like RPGmaker or even make use of something like unbelievably easy to use like RAGS? I could see any of you kick serious butt with RAGS, I've seen far less intelligent people than you guys make stuff with it.
Exploring every avenue of transformation doesn't equate to making every possible good use of it. No, there is always room to improve, and I'm always going to be pushing for it . Complacency is the enemy. To stop moving is the role of the dead.

Also, I don't handle Nikkou -- or anyone here -- with kid's gloves. Never have. It's not out of disrespect but the exact opposite. Besides which, as far as low self-esteem goes, what better way to confirm to someone their low opinion of themselves than to talk down to them in a Mr. Roger's voice? They'll immediately know you're putting them in the kiddy pool and will believe on some level you agree with their self flagellating.

Now, with that said, I'd like to add that I think you're a bit too hard on the younger breed of posters. I do believe that there are original concepts created here, and creative work that takes place. To dismiss everything we do as scatterbrained and unoriginal seems a bit unfair.

Oh, naturally. There are original concepts being created here. I'm not sure where you're getting me saying people here are scatterbrained and unoriginal, that's really putting words in my mouth. If the people were masticating over the same topics over and over again like JRPGs have been content to do for the last fifteen years, I'd probably not be so perennially frustrated.The "younger breed of posters" here are mindblowingly creative.
But if "everything they do" is just nonsense in the muffin room and IRC, their talent is going to waste because they can't really share it with anyone but their immediate fellows. Not to mention that whatever they create eventually gets buried in a backlog of posts, never to really be seen again. Is something so ephemeral and context-constricted really something to be proud of? That depends on one's point of view, sure, but at the end of the day no one outside the initiated is going to know or appreciate the work. At the end of the day, I just don't want to see their gift squandered on something that isn't typically shared more than once. I think people's self esteem issues here would see a lot of improvement to make something solid and be able to say "I made that".

I may be pissed off with how the TGTF game site is run, but there is no denying how much their community is based on creating and sharing. Granted, most of them just make use of RAGS (guys, did I mention it's easy yet?) and tons of stolen photos of models and such but it's nice they create for themselves and for people they've not even met. You know, their fellow seekers of blatant porn.